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DanCan 01-06-2020 03:50 PM

Sad day - Westwater moving to rec.gov
 
Sad day tomorrow. Westwater private permits are moving to recreation.gov. There isn't another website I hate more than that one.

Did I miss a call for comment from the BLM office on this move? Or was it just a mandated change?

I have several questions. It says on the website that they will be available 60 days in advance. Does that mean 12:00am 60 days in advance? And is that mountain time or GMT or ???

rec.gov has this statement
'Westwater Canyon River Permits will become available for advanced reservation beginning January 7, 2020 at 8:00 a.m. MST/10 a.m. EST. '

Wonder if that means each day's permits come available at 8:00am mountain?

Dan

Nubie Jon 01-06-2020 04:02 PM

I would bet it is going to be run like Ruby....... 8am MST 60 days out.

jamesg 01-06-2020 04:03 PM

Big Bummer. I would guess that it will be 8 am MDT like the call in system now.

DanCan 01-06-2020 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nubie Jon (Post 756271)
I would bet it is going to be run like Ruby....... 8am MST 60 days out.

Ah, so there is precedence that they know how to do that then.

Just too bad, dealing with rec.gov has never been a pleasant experience for me.

Dan

DanCan 01-06-2020 04:19 PM

Just got through talking to both the Moab office and then to support on recreation.gov. See my above comments about not having pleasant experience with rec.gov.

BLM guy said, "We don't know, talk to recreation.gov". Agent at recreation.gov said, "we don't know, contact the local BLM office".

I'll call the river office in the morning. They won't know either. I think what I'll end up doing is trying a test reservation in a couple of days and then when I figure it out I'll post info back here for anyone that is interested.

Dan

tanderson 01-06-2020 04:26 PM

Thank you Dan. I am wondering the same things

MNichols 01-06-2020 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanCan (Post 756267)
Did I miss a call for comment from the BLM office on this move? Or was it just a mandated change?


Wonder if that means each day's permits come available at 8:00am mountain?

Dan


Nope, no call for comment. The mandate is 5 years old, they held it off as long as they could, couldn't stop it as hard as they tried, the bigwigs made their decision, as they are quite proud of rec.gov. Nothing to do with the Moab Field office, who doesn't want it any more than you do.



60 days out, 8AM is what I understand.

Andy H. 01-06-2020 07:31 PM

Thanks for the info, Marshall.

What a bummer.

MNichols 01-07-2020 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy H. (Post 756307)
Thanks for the info, Marshall.

What a bummer.


At the end of the day, it is quite the bummer, for both boaters and the BLM. Westwater is truly unique in it's use patterns, and the resource itself. I'm not sure how it'll play out at the end of the day, for either boaters or managers, all I can do is hope for the best, and try and deal with what I think is going to be a difficult integration.

One thing I can ask the community as a whole, is when you get to the ramp, remember, the Rangers had nothing to do with this, and neither did the Moab BLM, the orders came down from Washington, the Rangers and Management are just following the mandate and trying to make things as easy on everyone as it can be made, while still enforcing the rules.

Getting mad, or venting on them does nothing other than creating animosity, hate and discontent. It'll not change anything at the end of the day.. Think of the poor rangers having to stand there all day and listen to it over and over and over again. Let's not do that, K?

2tomcat2 01-07-2020 08:45 AM

Good point


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