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Old 1 Week Ago   #1571
 
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A number of companies made that style tube (Definitely Aire and Hyside and maybe Sotar, Wing, and Jacks Plastic), but the most well known and popular one was the Aire Cougar. They had several different designs, but they all used the same double tube idea. The guys I've talked to who have them swear by them and promise they will never sell them.







Not sure why they stopped making it...I guess they came up with a better idea. They are definitely stable and can carry more gear then the average cataraft. It does have some downsides though...the biggest being there is no room to put anything between the tubes so everything has to stack on top.



I saw one on the Middle Fork of the Salmon last June and the guy had a rough first day. I was dealing with a flipped raft from our group as it floated by upside down and a guy from their group was chasing it. Stable, but not unflippable it would seem. I think he hit Velvet Falls in the wrong spot.



I saw one on the Yampa once, and the gear piles on it were so high that you could barely see over them. There was a little canyon between the piles to look through. Can't imagine rowing that on a windy day. The owner seemed pretty psyched about it though and said he loved taking it out.



I bet Aire could re-introduce that boat and a bunch of people would buy it.
I thought one of the knocks on big tubes on a small boat in big water is that it rides so high a flip is more likely? That may be why these boat struggle with large gear loads?

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I thought one of the knocks on big tubes on a small boat in big water is that it rides so high a flip is more likely? That may be why these boat struggle with large gear loads?
The tubes themselves aren't particularly tall (18") but maintain their bouyancy with the double tube design. You can see in that picture that it sits fairly low in the water. Most of the frame systems I've seen for these make for a wider then standard setup too...so that increases stability as well.

They seem to carry a heavier load then your standard cataraft...but it may not provide much of an advantage since it all has to sit on top of the tubes thus raising the center of gravity. I just know that the guys who own them rave about the stability the Cougar provides.
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A number of companies made that style tube (Definitely Aire and Hyside and maybe Sotar, Wing, and Jacks Plastic), but the most well known and popular one was the Aire Cougar. They had several different designs, but they all used the same double tube idea. The guys I've talked to who have them swear by them and promise they will never sell them.







Not sure why they stopped making it...I guess they came up with a better idea. They are definitely stable and can carry more gear then the average cataraft. It does have some downsides though...the biggest being there is no room to put anything between the tubes so everything has to stack on top.



I saw one on the Middle Fork of the Salmon last June and the guy had a rough first day. I was dealing with a flipped raft from our group as it floated by upside down and a guy from their group was chasing it. Stable, but not unflippable it would seem. I think he hit Velvet Falls in the wrong spot.



I saw one on the Yampa once, and the gear piles on it were so high that you could barely see over them. There was a little canyon between the piles to look through. Can't imagine rowing that on a windy day. The owner seemed pretty psyched about it though and said he loved taking it out.



I bet Aire could re-introduce that boat and a bunch of people would buy it.
I thought one of the knocks on big tubes on a small boat in big water is that it rides so high a flip is more likely? That may be why these boat struggle with large gear loads?
http://www.quadcatt.com/quadcatt-photo-gallery.html
Here is someone else doing that sort of thing. I can tell you from experience that doing it on the cheap with IK’s like I have, results in taking on water that doesn’t self bail as quickly as you’d like! The low profile of Ik’s or double tube pontoons is awesome for fishing, where you have to hop in and out quickly. I am not sure I understand the value in serious white water.
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I think that was the AIRE Cougar. I rowed a rented one on the Yampa this year. We rented it because it was the only boat we could find locally (lack of pre-planning.) It drew very little water. I was a bit ungainly, but may well have been due to how we rigged it (It did not come with rigging instructions). After that trip I did some looking around on the web for rigging pointers snd found that someone is still making that boat under the name QuadCat.


Yup - Definitely was the Cougar that I was thinking of. My guess is that they are more labor intensive to make. Very unstable but yes bad in the wind with my friends gear pile.
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I had a cougar. They are super stable but a complete pain to rig in the morning. Perhaps a xl everything bag and big dry boxes and would help. In the wind, they are death. I would recommend the cougar as a fun daily boat. I built a deck over it and added a small electric trolling motor. Used it as a scuba platform. The person I sold it to was going to use it as an hauler for his elk as he was an elk hunting guide. Great to haul the earth....if there is not a bit of wind. Get your system dialed so you don’t need a thousand straps to rig
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Adding my new rig to the mix. This is replacing a 1978 Avon Adventurer bucket boat that I've had for years. I had a lot of fun designing and then building the frame and accessories.

First trip with the new boat. A class 2 shake down run on the Grande Ronde in NE Oregon.


  • Hyside 166ASB 14'3" x 6'10" with a 72" straight section.
  • Built the frame out of 6061-T6 1.5" sch 40 pipe for all the straight tubes and welded 2" schedule sch80 pipe for the corners, tees and oar towers. The nesting of this pipe is not quite as tight as I would have liked, but it works fine.
  • Frame breaks down with 5/16" x 2-1/2" usable length snap pins.
  • Outside to outside frame dimensions are 83" x 68". Inside dimensions of the bays are 13", 19", 21", 20"
  • Oar towers are about 12" behind the center of the boat.
  • Sideboards and hatch covers / camp tables are made out of single sheet of 1/2" MDO plywood.
  • Sideboards and tables attached to frame with short (14") cam straps
  • Canyon prospector 103 cooler. On my most recent trip still had a good amount of ice after 8 days.
  • Drop bags made by Jan at Stitches and stuff.
  • Front drop bag has all the long, skinny stuff. Chairs, blue tables, shovel, etc.
  • Rear drop bag has some water jugs and dry bags.
  • Instead of a dry box I've always put my kitchen gear, dry food and crushable things in either plastic bins inside of dry bags or 5 gallon buckets with gamma lids. I've found much easier for the crew to carry up to camp, gives me more flexibility and prevents the dry box black hole problem.
  • Captain's bay has a DRE rocket box sling on each side. In one is an EcoSafe groover in a 20mm rocket box with a closed cell foam cover to soften up those hard metal edges. The other is a Harbor Freight Apache 4800 dry box (pelican case knock-off) which fits perfectly in the sling.
  • Was hoping to reuse my 9' oars, but they're too short given the new raft and frame geometry so I think 10'er's are in my future.
  • Frame total cost was around $330 and sideboards and tables were $250
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Rigged for a fall salmon run. My boat is the lime green rmr peak. Great raft, great river
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