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Old 02-17-2012   #1
 
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raft/cat combo frame??

Anyone out there use a raft frame for their raft and then add drop bars/modify it so it works for a cat?

I recently got a new raft and will be getting a frame for it, but am thinking- what if the frame could be used for both my raft and a set of ocelot tubes??

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Old 02-17-2012   #2
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Why would you want to render the cat unusable in favor of the raft that could othewise be paddled if you have enough passengers?
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What?

Don't quite understand your statement.

The basic concept is to have a 4-bay raft frame that you could remove one of the bays and put length-wise drop bars on so it would work with cat tubes. If there wasn't much/any compromise it's a logical way to use a frame more effectively-cost-wise, gear storage, versatility...

Why would I want to do this? Because on high stakes class 5 technical rivers where a cat excels, I'd rather be alone in a cat then having to worry about managing a crew-I did that commercially for 15 years and it got kinda old.

Thanks for your feedback-it was helpful.
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Old 02-17-2012   #4
 
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Nrs makes drop bars that you could attach to a raft frame. There was a thread about it last week. Do a search and read all about it.
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NRS Standard Frame Drop Side Rails at NRSweb.com

I think the above URL is what you are looking for.
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Old 02-17-2012   #6
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I guess I'm missing the point slightly. Do you already own the cat tubes and frame? As a cat owner, I don't want to redo the sixteen straps and reposition tubes every time I want to run it. I have a 16 foot cat so I can carry a few passengers and lots of gear. I also run it light and agile for class IV rapids. If I had more people and a raft I would opt for paddlers and forego the frame.

I guess the question I have is, when would you want the raft and frame setup instead of the cat option?
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Different rivers

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I guess I'm missing the point slightly. Do you already own the cat tubes and frame? As a cat owner, I don't want to redo the sixteen straps and reposition tubes every time I want to run it. I have a 16 foot cat so I can carry a few passengers and lots of gear. I also run it light and agile for class IV rapids. If I had more people and a raft I would opt for paddlers and forego the frame.

I guess the question I have is, when would you want the raft and frame setup instead of the cat option?
I'm probably asking too much out of one frame design for what I'm envisioning. *I have a raft now but would like to pick up a set of 14' cat tubes in the future.

But, I was thinking if I had a 4 bay frame on my raft that I could have made so I could remove the front bay, I could still haul gear and have enough room up front for paddle-assist for rivers like the selway and middle fork...and leave it as a 4 bay for runs like the grand, cat, lodore, deso...

Then, I'm thinking-with the frame as a 3 bay, I could attach drop rails and use the same frame with a set of 14' cat tubes-to be used on day and short multi-day runs like the upper animas, piedra, illinois, and similar style runs throughout the west-where a nimbly cat is super fun to row.

For the few bennies it might save me, I might just end up with a frame that's not ideal for either boat though.

Just thought I'd throw it out there to see if any other boaters have done it with success or not.
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Aire has a good price on their new Old Stock Ocelot tubes.

I think what you wanna do makes sense. You have a raft for hauling gear. You leave the frame at home when you do a friendly local paddle river. You add your drop rails and cat tubes when you are running a technical day trip.

I dont know why anyone is giving you shit -- Makes perfect sense to me. Your frame gets dual purpose and you only need one set of oars. In fact i purchased an extra set of drops so my buddy can use his frame with my spare tubes and i've got a catboat partner now

If you get a non Nrs frame you can always have them male the front and back of the boat out of 1-1/4 schedule 40 (1.66 od). Nrs will make the drop rails any length and depth for a nominal fee
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I'll keep researching it...

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Aire has a good price on their new Old Stock Ocelot tubes.

I think what you wanna do makes sense. You have a raft for hauling gear. You leave the frame at home when you do a friendly local paddle river. You add your drop rails and cat tubes when you are running a technical day trip.

I dont know why anyone is giving you shit -- Makes perfect sense to me. Your frame gets dual purpose and you only need one set of oars. In fact i purchased an extra set of drops so my buddy can use his frame with my spare tubes and i've got a catboat partner now

If you get a non Nrs frame you can always have them male the front and back of the boat out of 1-1/4 schedule 40 (1.66 od). Nrs will make the drop rails any length and depth for a nominal fee
I think you're smellin' what I'm cookin'. I've owned cats for the past two boats I had and one of the things that I got sick of was my huge, bulky, modular frame system- granted, there are much slicker cat frames systems out there. Mine was heavy, a pain in the ass to rig, transport, store...

So, now that I've sold my old cat and bought a round boat I'm thinking, yeah, my raft is sweet, but, I'd still like to have a small cat for playing around with. Older ocelot tubes in good shape can be found for a grand or less, still slay it on class 4 and 5, and are super fun to row.

It might sound excessive, but a quiver of 3 rafts is fairly reasonable: My 15.6 Sotar for multi-day western stuff, the super puma for R-2ing, and a 14' cat for steep, technical rivers where I'd rather be on the sticks than paddling...

It just might work-I just read the post on nrs universal drop rails and got some more ideas.

Thanks man
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I started the recent thread about the NRS universal drop rails. I don't have a raft....just wanted to keep all my 66 inch NRS frame stuff, but use the drop rails instead of the yokes to save weight & be able to get a bit more width on my Cat frame. The NRS universal frame was made to do exactly what you are talking about.....one frame for both Cat & raft use. If the dimensions work for both boats, then I don't see why it wouldn't be a good way to go to save some money. And yes, NRS will make the drops to the length & depth you want for an extra $10, plus shipping if you want something different than what they offer stock.
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