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Old 12-21-2018   #21
 
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I have 14' x 25" tubes with a 66" x 120" NRS frame. My inside distance from tube to tube is 41.5". It's a perfect width for my 95 qt Mammoth cooler and a 5 gallon Scepter water jug to nest together in that bay. I don't run a floor and I don't drop anything below the frame. I actually have a floor board under the cooler most of the time to protect it. I move myself, passengers and gear around based on the type of trip and river. I just added a dry box to my kit, so that will change up the way I rig for trips when I take it.

I have rowed all the way up front to seated over the rearmost bay, and everything in between. Sitting up front is fun in sporty water, but I like the socializing aspect of having my passenger(s) in front of me. I prefer to be loaded to float nearly flat with a touch of extra weight up front. The current grabs the heavy end, but the wind will always want the end that's most exposed. Plan accordingly!

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Old 12-22-2018   #22
 
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So I did a little mock-up while the lady was at book club the other night... This is a friend of mines cooler, just so happens to be the cooler I plan to buy. I got the height of cooler set pretty close (10 inch drop) it leaves some real estate protruding up. (8.75”) What kind of frame drop are you guys running? I have about 15” to my inner d rings from top of tube. Sitting on the cooler is pretty ideal to have my feet flat on the ground- this will be the passengers seat. I feel it would be better to have it sunk in a little more. Thoughts?
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Old 12-23-2018   #23
 
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I run a 14' cat of similar width, gear above lower rails, and have hit the lower rails hard on rocks in low water conditions more than once, it is an uncomfortable experience, I would not want gear hanging below the rails for sure, the dynamic impact would not be kind to your brand new and expensive navigator 150
and [email protected] why would you not bring your cat on the salt (I have never been but was considering it this spring if it is running)?
Just saw your post about Salt. I would not take my cat because it can be very shallow in spots, flow can go down quickly, plenty of rocks to get hung up on and drum roll please, narrow enough in areas that my 92" wide cat would need a diet to fit through.
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Old 12-26-2018   #24
 
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Zboy - my cooler sticks up about that high as well, par for the course....
thanks for the reply [email protected] clearly I have not done research on the salt yet...good to have your perspective, sounds like it would be a challenge in a round boat too, not just for the catters....that saguaro forest is just so beautiful down there though...
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Old 12-26-2018   #25
 
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No one has addressed the elephant in the river that cats handle best when not overloaded. Look at the rated capacity for those tubes and try to be under or you will hate life. That being said, I agree with earlier poster about rigging load so that boat is mostly even. Then, depending on the rapid and whether you will be rowing forward or backward, adjusting weight to the leading end.
I have 3x 12 foot cats, and a 15 ft cat. I carry as little as possible, and rig my gear as low as I can, and then run accordingly. You will have to learn not to straddle stuff that is too high and will take out your cooler or drop bag. There is usually an expensive learning curve.....
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Old 12-27-2018   #26
 
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So I did a little mock-up while the lady was at book club the other night... This is a friend of mines cooler, just so happens to be the cooler I plan to buy. I got the height of cooler set pretty close (10 inch drop) it leaves some real estate protruding up. (8.75”) What kind of frame drop are you guys running? I have about 15” to my inner d rings from top of tube. Sitting on the cooler is pretty ideal to have my feet flat on the ground- this will be the passengers seat. I feel it would be better to have it sunk in a little more. Thoughts?

Saw your living room photos and had to laugh. When I'm working on a frame idea I buy a bunch of pvc tube and fittings, design what I want and return all the fittings and save the tube pieces for next time. Here are some photos of my 12 foot RMR raft frame from start to finish. I think it is possible to get it right the first time this way with less mods later.
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Old 12-27-2018   #27
 
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No one has addressed the elephant in the river that cats handle best when not overloaded. (snip) You will have to learn not to straddle stuff that is too high and will take out your cooler or drop bag. There is usually an expensive learning curve.....
Excellent points. You catch your frame on a rock you try to straddle or don't see and you will learn the true meaning of "Coming to a dead stop".
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Old 05-11-2019   #28
 
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So it’s been a very busy winter and start to spring. I’ve got my craft pretty close to how I want it. I started with a pile of beat up snowmaking guns my work was throwing away. A lot of hours of learning later I ended up with my new ship! I’ve rowed it a handful of times. It has evolved every time it’s seen the water. Here’s what I’ve ended up with, though I’m sure it will never be “done.” Thanks for all the input!
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Old 05-12-2019   #29
 
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Man, you did an awesome job!!
Love seeing people re-purpose material like that, instead of constantly needing somebody else to build everything for them.

Hey where about do you live at? The background of the pictures looks eerily similar to my neighborhood up hear above Tabernash Co.

Anyway, congratulations on a dam fine looking cat frame!
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Old 05-12-2019   #30
 
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Zboy403, I have one suggestion, you need a wider and taller tree stump for your moveable mail box. Looks like the snow depth exceed the limits of your mail box. Have to agree with Matt man, awesome job.
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