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Old 06-26-2015   #1
 
Jackson, Wyoming
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July 21 launch on Deso. 1st time- so looking for beta on: BUGS, camps, shuttles, BUGS, shuttle, anything else unexpected, BUGS!. Bugs seems to be the biggest conversation..what are some strategies you have used? Also- does the BLM permit cover everything or is there some other Native American Res permit that I need to be aware of? Thanks!!

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Old 06-26-2015   #2
 
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Tribal permit needed for camping or hiking anywhere on river left from launch to Coal Creek. Cheap and easy and worth every penny in my book.

If bugs are bad we have had success with the old school thermacell lantern (actual flame) and The Original Bug Shirt. I doubt they are that bad this year but if they are you will be the envy of others with the shirt.

River Runners is great and I believe they are the only permitted and legal option for truck shuttles. Red Tail does flights.

Camps in first 20 miles are acceptable as well as the last 20 miles. Most camps in between are nice with a few exceptions. All depends on size of group and what you are after. Get the River Maps for Deso and pick from there. Be flexible if you are launching on a weekend as it can get competitive in certain areas.

Plan on water at Rock Creek but know it can blow out so either bring Alum or have a permit to use from river left at Chandler Creek.

Have a great trip.

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Old 06-26-2015   #3
 
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Thanks- where do I look for the tribal permit info?
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I second Chandler Creek. Must have the Tribal permit for that camp. It is my favorite camp of all. We filled solar showers there. Big Cotton wood trees for shade, a huge sandy beach, and we all swam the rapid. Also pulled a few cat fish out of there. There are some Petroglyphs back from the river on the canyon walls. This is a special place. Have a great trip!
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Whitewater Rafting Campsites | Resources for Planning Rafting Trips

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McPherson Ranch has great water (river left) abandoned Resort...pretty neat to check out. Water is southwest of motel along a path towards the greenery. Pipe comes outta the rock wall.
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Pipe is immediately behind the newer lodge- between it and the old stone structure. When your feet are wet, look down.

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If the bugs are bad? This will be the worst you will ever encounter, Alaska, Wind Rivers, WY, etc. Spray will not even get close. I use a professionally made hooded fish net, light weight pull over gear. The bugs will even get you through the tent walls. There are screen enclosures at the ramp, they will be very helpful. But you still need to rig, etc. The bug situation gets less intense farther down stream. Try to get 20-miles first day, Steer-ridge is a nice camp. This is a very cool river trip, so don/t let the bug gig get you down, just prepare. Have a great trip.
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According to the ranger at the put in, years that crest below 18,000 are not true "bug years" in deso. This is one of those years- and our run from 5/30 to 6/5 was pretty bug free.

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Very much "IF" in my experience. Out of our 20-ish trips now in the last decade we have had exactly one bad mosquito trip and did not remotely compare to my three month truck tour of Alaska or the Yukon. Granted, we rarely float in June but those numbers include many trips at multiple levels between July and August. Many years the biting flies or gnats below Jack are worse and even they aren't debilitating. Even the kids last summer who didn't have long sleeves only had 20-30 bites from the entire trip.

I may just be lucky. Last summer was definitely in the "bad" range for us on Deso and I was grateful for the bug shirts, especially at the put-in. That said, having grown up in the east I have yet to ever experience 300 bug bites a day like I did when we camped in places like Hatteras or that one day in Denali when I spent 6 hours in my tent with tweezers plucking off the lil-buggers proboscis in revenge.

I trust the rangers when they say it can get epic but I think its relatively few and far between and the legend has always been bigger than my personal experience. I could just be taunting the bug gods I suppose. Mileage will vary in a similar way it does for yellow jackets on the Main (we had an epic experience 2 years ago when others had few).

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