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Old 05-15-2017   #1
 
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Wow is right!!!! Where to begin in picking that apart from the warmth and safety of my office?
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Old 05-16-2017   #4
 
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That's Satan's Cesspool on the South fork of the American that they flip on.
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That's Satan's Cesspool on the South fork of the American that they flip on.
They flipped at Fowler's Rock, looks like to me..then went for a nice swim through the upper haystacks and satan's.

So much wrong here...
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Old 05-16-2017   #6
 
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Lots to learn from this film about big water raft guiding.

Here is my play by play:

0. The crew has not been trained well enough to paddle together in rapids.

1. at 1:28 the boat flips. Too much momentum and no high side command called.

2. at 3:19 a rope is deployed the swimmer is holding onto this rope. It is unclear if the guide let the rope go or simply never pulled it in after the swimmer acknowledged he had it.

3. 4:46 swimmer with GoPro is pulled back into the boat after about 4min in the water.

4. 6:30 There three ropes in the boat. None are secure. one is unpacked in the middle. one is being packed in the front and one is sitting in front to the oars man.

5. 7:20 guide has crew paddle to flipped raft. back right passenger is not holding t-grip.

6. 7:30 guide 2 jumps on flipped raft and starts paddling in into the next drop while riding on top. * Maybe he could have reflipped it right away or when he had it in the current. He seems to be waiting for the Trip leaders permission.

6.1 At 7:45 Guide in front is about to through a packed and ready to deploy bag to the swimmer. Instead, the guide in back throughs her a tangled rope from the center of the boat and tells her to through it. She throws the tangled mess into the drink missing the swimmer and pulls it back in.

7. 8:25 another guide (the one the was originally paddling the boat that flipped? ) is pulled into the rescue boat by the oars man. He does not self-rescue

8. 10:25 guide 2 reflips the boat on Trip leaders command.

9. 10:40 Guide 3 jumps from rescue boat into reflipped boat. The guide who re-flipped the boat still has not self-rescued

10. 10:43 Guide in front left tells the passenger to tuck toe under front thort. The oarsman loses the boat angle after hitting a lateral wave.

11. 10:47 Boat that was reflipped hits the now almost sideways rescue boat causing the guide in the front right whose feet are not secure to fall out as well as the passenger on the middle right. No hang on - or high side commands were called.

12: 11:06 Guide pulls passanger in first.

13: 11:26 Guide that fell out still in water can not self-rescue. Instructs crew to pull him in by his strap.

14: 12:20 Goro filmer acknowledges that "Mark" and one other person are still missing.



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Old 05-16-2017   #7
 
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Yeah, I was shocked when the guide of the first boat that flipped came up on the raft halfway through the video. That group of kayakers they passed were probably having a good laugh watching this shit show. The helmet camera wearer (assuming he's a customer) had a huge eddy to swim to. It looked as if the flipped raft was going into the eddy but he found a rope floating (probably was a loose rope in the raft that flipped) and didn't try to swim to the eddy that the guides in the rescue boat are yelling and waving him into. He seems to think they were referring to the rescue bag, the problem was at one point he was holding both ends of the bag expecting it to magically pull him to the boat. If he would have made it to shore around that 3:00 min mark I think this wouldn't have been nearly as horrible to watch.
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Poedunk,

Yes, and I am not sure why he / all the swimmers were not instructed to swim aggressively to shore or to the boat?

In July at flows of 1200cfs, a long swim in the gorge has minimal risk. Currently, the water is high due to the large snowpack and bigger release from the Slab / Chilbar dams.

This section of river has not had a high water season since 2011. Many folks (in this case guides included) just do not understand how much more dangerous the run can be at higher water.

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Another example of the dangers found easy (class II-III) river sections at high water levels:

This crew paddling the Chili bar section on the same river at about 27k. https://youtu.be/2ai7H0DS_sM?t=6m

The person in the film swims for 6mins going about two miles down river. He lost all his gear. (Boat, paddle, gro pro on back of boat)

It if was not for Gavin providing safety kayaking support he likely would have flushed drowned.
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They flipped at Fowler's Rock, looks like to me..then went for a nice swim through the upper haystacks and satan's.

So much wrong here...
Due to the high water, a lot is washed out, but the video starts at Lost Hat, and the flip occurred at Satan's Cesspool. The video ended right before bouncing rock.
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