Ruby/Westwater trip cost - Page 2 - Mountain Buzz
 



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #11
 
Fort Collins, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2013
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 316
Tell him he doesn't have to pay if he is willing to clean the groover.

almortal is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #12
 
Andy H.'s Avatar
 
Wheat Ridge, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1995
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,670
$25/day for a trip with everything included just to show up sounds pretty reasonable to me. When bringing someone new to the river I let them know in advance what the expected cost will be; like ZB, I tell them the high end of the range. Usually the trip is lots cheaper and folks are amazed at how great the value is. It's a good idea to make sure all the accounting is transparent in case anyone has a problem with the cost. Showing them what they'd pay for a commercial trip should make any tightwads STFU.

I'm sure you could do the trip cheaper with crappy food, tell the person bringing the groover to use the free dump station in Fruita, not include any trip cost for motor & fuel, propane, kitchen box restocking, etc. and having everyone on their own for various meals. What a perfect way to breed resentment among the folks doing the heavy lifting to make the trip happen.

Sounds to me like a never-again boating partner until he gets his head on straight and pays up.

And may we all never again have to deal with people like that.

-AH
__________________
Nothing in the world is more yielding and gentle than water. Yet it has no equal for conquering the resistant and tough. The flexible can overcome the unbending; the soft can overcome the hard. - Lao Tse
Andy H. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #13
 
GeoRon's Avatar
 
Golden, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1974
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 812
Sorry to hear about your bad experience. $110 is extremely fair for a 4 day trip that perhaps you completely hosted.

I became bitter about hosting trips for hard shellers to places like Idaho. On several consecutive trips I tried to pool and split transportation and similar expenses. Several kayakers said no way. They were happy with their tranport expenses pooling 4 kayakers in something like a Outback while the rafters had to take trucks pulling trailer and possibly able to fit only 2 people because the trucks carried all the group gear. The most infuriating response from a former friend was "well, it was you who chose to take a raft!"

Live and learn that some people are just thoughtless and weed them out of your life ASAP. I finally learned to boat with experienced people who understand costs and not to host trips whereby I provide all the group gear and most of the pre-trip and post-trip sweat. It is just a thank less way to subsidize other peoples good times.
GeoRon is online now   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #14
 
Ridgway, Colorado
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 235
If I'm taking noobs/non boaters on the rio then I'm definitely offsetting the cost so that I pay zero. I've invested the 5-8k for all the gear, secured the permit, planed the meals and, I'll be dealing with all of your shit, literally. You are welcome.
rtsideup is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #15
 
Ridgway, Colorado
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 235
Hard shellers.
When I bought my first raft my kayak buddies from Maine immediately gifted me a groover. They said that was tradition in their circles.
You tupperware kids listening?
rtsideup is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #16
 
Grand Junction, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1994
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 279
My thoughts as an experienced TL and payment, assuming this is not a short notice, spontaneous, trip:

- Provide an estimated cost so there's no surprise. Will it include transportation to and from? Booze or weed? Twizzlers at the Kum and Go, etc.
- Have a payment plan and get some money upfront, by some deadline, to show commitment and at least cover the costs of the permits.
- Collect more, as you get closer to launch day, as you spend more, arrange your shuttle, etc.
- Collect a final payment. If I've planned a trip well ahead of time I'll give some a refund if they need to bail for a legitimate reason. No refund two weeks before the trip.
- I try to over estimate and have cash left over to refund or pay for food at some restaurant (Ray's in Green River!)

I've done a Deso trip for as little as $150.00, for 12 people, with good food and wine with dinner.
__________________
When the river calls, the wise one listen.
smhoeher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #17
 
Fort Collins, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1986
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 285
I've lead maybe 8 Westwater trips, and a couple that included R & HT. Food is $25/p/d and that does not include lunch. I put a lot of effort into the food, buying, pre-cooking and baking, re-packing, packing and loading. Too much of it I do all alone.

I used to provide lunch and it was $30/p/d, but everybody was too busy drinking that we never ate lunch and I would have to eat 10 pounds of cold cuts in a week before they went bad.

It's not uncommon that I have a couple of college kids on my trips, or a couple of broke guides. If they talk to me ahead of time, and particularly if they help pack, load, and drive, I frequently invite them for no cost. Especially if they are a professional guide who is swiftwater certified and can keep my old ass safer.

Permit fees are in addition.

Fuck this guy! If a river friend of yours vouched for him, I would suggest that your friend owes you for his fees.

This has happened to all of us who take the initiative to get a permit and undertake the hassle of putting a trip together.

Keep the faith and keep on boating!

Tom
twmartin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #18
 
Denver, Colorado
Paddling Since: 1996
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 187
Invite me. Ill pay that up front, bring my own stuff, and even drive since all my fuel is free.

Thats ridiculous, cross them off the list. Life is too short for that, putting together a trip is a labor of love, the least people can do is pony up their fair share when the time comes. Its $100...give me a break.
theusualsuspect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #19
 
Colorado, Colorado
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 144
That's a shitty situation and response from said individual, but lesson learned and as others have said perhaps you should write his name on your "do not boat with" list in ink instead of pencil.

Last season I had a main Salmon permit that was all packrafters, posted on here looking for a couple big boats with "group" gear to join us and found 2 very friendly, skilled boaters that were an absolute pleasure to have on the trip and their personalities made the trip so much more fun. I was up front about all costs for trip, and even paid for half of their shuttle costs for both of their vehicles since they provided group gear and groover. Sometimes you get lemons, and other times you find boaters that just make you smile and want to invite on every trip!
AzPackrafter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2 Weeks Ago   #20
 
Fort Collins, Colorado
Paddling Since: 2013
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 316
Quote:
Originally Posted by AzPackrafter View Post
you should write his name on your "do not boat with" list in ink instead of pencil.
Maybe MB should have a thread of blacklisted boaters. A friend invited three randos (because our family cancelled) on a grand trip last year, one was great and the other two ruined the trip. Maybe we should require references for stranger invites? But that wouldn't solve the shitty friends problem..
almortal is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Classified Ads
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.