Originally Posted by NEOR
"The Middle Fork of the Salmon is working with the available software resources to create and implement the technology needed to conduct a secondary lottery process to award cancellations in the future."
So, the end result of all this rec.gov ineptitude and justified frustration is that we end up with cancellation lotteries?
I feel like the current system rewards persistence and people who badly want to get on the river (yes, and fast internet, which is a problem). There's a measure of justice in that, as ridiculous as the hoops are sometimes to jump through. A cancellation lottery maybe works at the Grand with a 365-day season. Am I missing something or would a 4-Rivers cancellation lottery be a total disaster?
I'd think the more antiquated and complex the system, the better.
+1 for not wanting to go to a second lottery. In nearly 10 years of rafting and probably over 100 applications across my group during that time, we have never won a single lottery for any river.
However, I get on a river every year due to hard work and persistence in finding cancellations. So to say I'm not enthused on moving toward the same system for cancellation as the base lottery is a mild understatement. If I only got on based on the lottery, I would never have gotten on anything. Ok, perhaps my changes of winning the lottery go up and maybe I've gotten on one river over 10 years, but that's still a crappy outcome.
I sympathize with people who have a job that precludes them checking regularly and/or right at 8am. One solution, since this is an internet solution now, would be hold it at 9pm (or something like that), which should not conflict with most people's schedule. Having said that, surely one person in most people's groups has a more flexible job and/or faster internet. I have personally claimed a permit on at least one of the major rivers several years running so it's not like it takes everyone in your group trying to get it.
I think a 100% lottery system is gonna remove the chance for those of us that want to go badly and are willing to spend a lot of time to get the permit. I also think we'll get more no-shows on the river as it's gonna push more permits to people that don't badly want to go. No one that spends 30 hours over 2-3 months to claim a cancellation is gonna not show.