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Old 03-17-2015   #1
 
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Middle Fork Trip Leader - choice for alternates?

Howdy folks.

Lucky enough to have another Middle Fork trip this year, but I'm not entirely sure I can do the trip. I don't want to leave the group stranded, so I'm inquiring about the possibility of an alternate trip leader in the event that I can't go.

I can't find a single thing about this on the MFS site from the USFS. Have any of you dealt with this issue? If so, can you name an alternate?

TIA

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It is my understanding that the "PERMIT HOLDER" must be on the entire trip. If the permit is in your name you have to be there and cannot transfer it to another person. This kinda sucks but those are the rules.
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AirEms is correct. No alternates. Permit holder must be present at time of issue. If you can't go, please cancel as soon as you can so the permit can go back into the system and be used. If you wait too long...it is forfeited.
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I have heard rumor of exceptions for severe and sudden medical issues but that was long ago.

Your best bet is to cancel it after people stop watching the site very much and have someone stay up for 24 straight hours hitting refresh incessantly.

Unless it is August 15-September 15. Then kill who you have to kill to go because that permit is lost forever.
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Hey that reminds me i need to get on the page and start hitting refresh to find a permit.
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........so I'm inquiring about the possibility of an alternate trip leader in the event that I can't go.
Are there any lottery permit rivers that allow transfer after the permits are drawn? Otherwise I have my 85 year old mom and dad, all of my non-boating friends and anyone else I can think of apply and then transfer the permit to me.
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Are there any lottery permit rivers that allow transfer after the permits are drawn? Otherwise I have my 85 year old mom and dad, all of my non-boating friends and anyone else I can think of apply and then transfer the permit to me.

Yeah sure, the Salt.


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The Grand allows for transfer to an alternate trip leader. Must name said person before the lottery is closed. And if that person has fewer points so does your chance of scoring.


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Are there any lottery permit rivers that allow transfer after the permits are drawn? Otherwise I have my 85 year old mom and dad, all of my non-boating friends and anyone else I can think of apply and then transfer the permit to me.
i just did this on the san juan. i scored a permit for that one in early june then picked up a middle fork cancellation. can't do both and wanted to do the middle fork, so i accepted the san juan and named my friend as the alternate trip leader.
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The Grand allows for transfer to an alternate trip leader. Must name said person before the lottery is closed.
Yes, the Rogue does this also. And like the Grand, your name can only appear on one lottery application, either as a TL or alternate. Most people do not list alternates and instead have each person submit their own application to increase the odds of their group being drawn.

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i just did this on the san juan.
So in effect, for the Salt and San Juan, the number of applications a person can "submit" is only limited by the number of people they know that are willing to turn over any permit drawn to them? Not that any boater would ever game the system. And it also opens up a secondary market for river permits. Anybody want to give me a donation and I will give you this river permit I am not going to use? I imagine selling a noncommercial permit would be illegal.
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