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Old 06-26-2015   #1
 
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looking to partner with experienced rafter

My sons (3) and I have non-commercial ticket for GC in July 2016, group size 8. We have completed 6 day raft guide school (oars) on Klamath. I live in Louisville and would like to partner w more experience oar rafter on WVa, TN, NC rivers. for next 12 months. Share expenses, time flexible.

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Good luck, it's the trip of a lifetime. Awesome to see you wanting to get prepared and hope you find some folks. This is a primarily western states forum but we do have some east coasters, you might try BoaterTalk as well for more local views.
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You could try West Virginia whitewater forum as well.
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Not very familiar with eastern rivers, but colorado plateau boating is a different animal than most of what I hear about back there. Any Time on the oars will benefit you, but try to locate some similar conditions like big single drops and very strong headwinds in slow current.
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Just completed west guide school, lower and upper Klamath, plan on western river guide school next spring (??middle salmon in Idaho??) also doing Gauley in WVa at high release in Sept but only as commercial trip. Supposed to be the closest to Colorado in US. What river do you think prepares best for GC?
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Having done the Grand 11 times (Kayak and raft), I think Cataract Canyon is the closest. In high water Cataract is bigger than the Grand.
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Cataract Canyon

Thanks for the suggestion. Checking out Cataract canyon. Thus far only commercial trips there. Would need guide school as we would not have the wherewithal to do it with out instructors.
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Not sure about your timing but Cataract is very doable in the late summer or early fall. If you put in at Mineral Bottom you will have over 50 miles of flat water to get warmed up on . Cataract gets much less pushy in the fall and a little more technical but it is a really great trip. The bad part is all the flat water to get the take out. Most people carry a very small out board motor or arrange a tow out.

Deso-Grey is another suggestion. It is much easier than Cataract but it is a big class II-III desert river trip. Really great trip to warm up on and it does not require a lot of skill to do it. You can easily rent a complete raft from River Runners in Vernal UT. They also do shuttles.

Also look at the main Salmon in ID. Can be big bouncy Class III and a lot of fun.
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Hi,

I'll second the idea of Cat and Deso, if you can get out there. The Cat permits are essentially walk-ins, so that's the easier permit to get. As has been said, Cat gives you lots of flatwater on both ends of a day of GC-like whitewater. You can get ferocious winds on the bottom end, which is why you saw motors being mentioned. And it's a long shuttle.

Fall Cat levels are likely to be reasonably low. But one October I did a Sand Wash to Hite, and was cold and rained hard every day before we got to the rapids. That brought it up rather smartly -- maybe 18-20k cfs, IIRC. The good news is that even at those levels, it's possible to scout the most challenging drops, if you feel OK about your water-reading skills.

While your river ability will generally translate, there are some things about long desert river trips that you won't get in those nicely wooded hills and valleys in Appalachia. You might want to take a look over at the Utah Rafters and GCPBA Facebook pages, and the GCPBA listserv -- https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gcpba/info -- post there for folks who could act as "consultants" for you.

Hope this helps.

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tanks for the suggestions. looking at GCBPA




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Hi,

I'll second the idea of Cat and Deso, if you can get out there. The Cat permits are essentially walk-ins, so that's the easier permit to get. As has been said, Cat gives you lots of flatwater on both ends of a day of GC-like whitewater. You can get ferocious winds on the bottom end, which is why you saw motors being mentioned. And it's a long shuttle.

Fall Cat levels are likely to be reasonably low. But one October I did a Sand Wash to Hite, and was cold and rained hard every day before we got to the rapids. That brought it up rather smartly -- maybe 18-20k cfs, IIRC. The good news is that even at those levels, it's possible to scout the most challenging drops, if you feel OK about your water-reading skills.

While your river ability will generally translate, there are some things about long desert river trips that you won't get in those nicely wooded hills and valleys in Appalachia. You might want to take a look over at the Utah Rafters and GCPBA Facebook pages, and the GCPBA listserv -- https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/gcpba/info -- post there for folks who could act as "consultants" for you.

Hope this helps.

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