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Old 11-10-2016   #1
 
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Good Raft flip video

This shows the reality of what happens if/when you flip in a river with fairly continuous rapids:

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Old 11-11-2016   #2
 
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Nice!! Training day with no flip line. The first guy on the boat could have rerighted that in 2 seconds.
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No lip lines! Reminds me of a guy I know that doesn't have them because it is........

A defeatist attitude!

When he did flip at Crystal in GC he floated a little way, then we struggled to get them attached to the upside down boat so we could unflip it.
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To me it looks like the first guy on the raft does have a flip line around his waist (0:59) and is working on a locking carabiner. Don't know why he didn't use it, or maybe it wasn't a flip line. I'm a proponent of righting a boat ASAP, in the current when possible, but obviously there are exceptions: high consequence hazards just down stream, boats too big/heavy for 1 or 2 people to right, etc. It's hard to know in this video if there were some extreme hazards we can't see, or don't know about. I do think they had several opportunities to right the boat sooner, but what does this armchair QB know?


I don't wear a flip line, generally. If I do, it's a 6' NRS strap with a couple of daisy loops in it to keep the tail reasonable. I no longer wear the 10' long, 3 times around the waist webbing kind for a variety of reasons:

1. I've been clipped into things I didn't want to be clipped into. More than once- not a fluke.
2. Knots are uncomfortable.
3. I am typically faster using my paddle to right an upside down boat, since I don't let go of it when I swim, and don't really want to let go of it to fart around with a strap/line.
4. I can often right the boat without getting on top of it: fingers in the drain holes, elbows on the tube, and do a curl.
5. I rarely need one in the first place.
6. I keep flip lines (NRS straps) in my PFD, which are a total of maybe 3 seconds slower than one on my waist.
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What river is this? Looks pretty fun and burly at that flow. I am in.
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What river is this? Looks pretty fun and burly at that flow. I am in.

I'm in!!!


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I've asked on the youtube video page (looks like it is the Kicking Horse River near Golden, BC to me but could be wrong).

Here's another video of an inexperienced raft guide's crew going for a swim last year as well. They get lucky in this video, they swim under a sweeper!!!

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I've asked on the youtube video page (looks like it is the Kicking Horse River near Golden, BC to me but could be wrong).

Here's another video of an inexperienced raft guide's crew going for a swim last year as well. They get lucky in this video, they swim under a sweeper!!!

Whoah ! That kayaker took the sweeper right to the gut
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WOW that kayaker has a scary moment! It looks like he swam after the pin. Damn!
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What a shitshow! I'll armchair QB the hell out of the first video, because it's the Buzz and I can: terrible recovery, lots of panicking and barking of vague commands that only confuse people and accomplish nothing. That was a stout piece of river and it looks like basically no one was prepared, except for maybe the first dude who then got washed away. Awful accountability for your crew and surroundings. Of course, there is a lot to be learned here with all that terrible river safety.... but way to get whupped by the river! I hope those guys appreciate their large serving of humble pie.
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