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My source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/austr...rnd/index.html


Not exactly a right wing think tank


I cited human causes for the fires and unusually stoopid human behavior. I don't know how you can deny that.

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Marshall and Mr Fecks,

Andy just blew holes in your logic with his posting, and you don't even know it. What is really strange is that you pretend to have some grasp of the science and then make statements that demonstrate clearly that you do not. Oh well.

Concerning Australia Mr Fecks, I tried to find your source concerning "Stoopid People". The closest numbers to yours that I could find were sourced from the InfoWars website, which is the website that denied that the mass killing at Sandy Hook Elementary School ever happened and the number one peddler of conspiracy theories. When you check reliable sources, your numbers are wrong and totally distorted, aka lies.

The man in the white house just announced today that Climate Change is "not a (Chinese) hoax". He said that he is a "big believer". And, "It's a very serious subject." His big solution, he wants to roll back regulations that concern climate change.

Concerning, why should we do anything, it is China and India that is the problem? These are fairly recent numbers. In recent times the world has always looked to US to lead and show how and what can be accomplished. Up until today the president has called climate change a "Chinese hoax", fake news, a "make believe problem", a "big scam", etc. Sad.

Carbon Emissions By Country
1 China 10,641,789
2 United States 5,172,336
3 European Union 3,469,671
4 India 2,454,968
5 Russia 1,760,895
6 Japan 1,252,890
7 Germany 777,905
8 Iran 633,750
9 South Korea 617,285
10 Canada 555,601
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My source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/austr...rnd/index.html


Not exactly a right wing think tank


I cited human causes for the fires and unusually stoopid human behavior. I don't know how you can deny that.
"Unusually stoopid human behavior" does not vary by year! (Well, maybe, but I'm not going to talk about the last presidential election year. That is beyond the scope of this subject.)

Claiming that this years stupid behavior is in correlation with an extreme drought that seems to be caused by climate change is bazaar. The fact that there is an extreme drought this year is why there are so many toasted koalas, kangaroos and human beings in Australia this year.
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Concerning Australia Mr Fecks, I tried to find your source concerning "Stoopid People". The closest numbers to yours that I could find were sourced from the InfoWars website, which is the website that denied that the mass killing at Sandy Hook Elementary School ever happened and the number one peddler of conspiracy theories. When you check reliable sources, your numbers are wrong and totally distorted, aka lies.

The man in the white house just announced today that Climate Change is "not a (Chinese) hoax". He said that he is a "big believer". And, "It's a very serious subject." His big solution, he wants to roll back regulations that concern climate change.

Funny because I gave my source, CNN, the bastion of right wing conspiracy theories. I will freely admit they get some things wrong. It was simply the first google result of: Australia fires arson, when I searched.



Interesting that you find President Trump a reliable source when it agrees with your narrative. How do you rationalize you lack of consistency?



Again, lead by example, save the planet by ending your own bodily CO2 emissions. Failure to do so is nothing short of heresy to your own doctrine.


While I don't use them, the flow reports are useful to the community but stick to what you are good at and save the extremism for your Greta fan club forum. :beer:
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"Unusually stoopid human behavior" does not vary by year!

You seem to be keeping the stoopid part of your rhetoric consistent.
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Interesting that you find President Trump a reliable source when it agrees with your narrative. How do you rationalize you lack of consistency?

While I don't use them, the flow reports are useful to the community but stick to what you are good at and save the extremism for your Greta fan club forum. :beer:
Noah and Marshall, we've been butting heads so long that I really consider you brothers of a different mother, or whatever.

I was obviously too facetious if you'd think I'd ever credit Trump as a reliable source but please forgive me. Droboats facetiousness that started this hijack went over my head. But in hindsight is was very funny.

Thank you for acknowledging the flow reports. I beg for input in any way. They are for the community.

Funny enough, if I photocopied MB my sequence of business cards from about 1979 through 1986 you'd understand what I'm EXCELLENT at and what I stick too mostly. Computer modeling, simulation and cutting edge understanding of large volume data sets. I've performed these tasks in all of the earth sciences on hand held to supercomputers. In the end I was likely the youngest "Senior Technical Consultant" in super computers: age 30. Call me narcissistic. Call me high functioning autistic, ADD or an asshole; I couldn't give a shit. I've been likely called worse.

I know meteorological models and what can be considered. I've installed crop forecast models on super computers, which is akin to long term climate predictive modeling. Which is, take this status and project forward using as many parameters as possible.

The parameters of volcanology, shifting magnetic poles and astrological extra solar system events are rolls of the dice as likely at this time to work against mankind as for humanity. And these are random? events according to current understanding. Should they be considered in a 100 year model time frame? Hell no. 1,000 year, certainly not. 10,000 year, very dicey. 100,000 year, maybe. 1,000,000 year, let us geologist consider its input to predictive modeling.

Marshall and Noah, please quit digging deeper holes. It pains me.

Please allow me to throw this back at you. Stick to what you are very good at with total respect,,,, rafting.

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I think that's the entire crux of this discussion.

If LNT is important, then AIS is equally important.

An this is the crux of my point: Preventing the spread of invasive species is actually far, far more important than adhering to LNT. Not picking up you micro-trash an peeing on shore is rude to your fellow recreationists, but spreading an invasive species could cause the extinction of species and permanent alteration of ecosystems.


Also, here is a list scientific organizations that hold the position that Climate Change has been caused by human action:

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
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mikepart,

You are incomplete.

But please consider authoritative sources such as:
The Faux news of alternate realities.
The Russ Limbaugh bobble heads of ditto heads....
The Infowars white male academy of stupidity.......
The Putin source of alternate truths.....
The republican-shit-for brains thought processes....
The evangelical guy in the sky reality......

But please remember, I've been accused of and perhaps I've already confessed to perhaps narcissistic thought processes.
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Ugh. I thought this was a rafting forum, no?

If I wanted to watch people trade entrenched and unwavering opinions and insults I'd watch reality TV.
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