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Old 01-30-2018   #1
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67% increase in Recreation.gov fees for lottery

Just paid through the nose for the recreation.gov lottery permit fees....it used to be $6 to apply, and we knew if we didn't get a permit that six bucks was lost, but now the fee is suddenly $10. If you do the math, it's a 66 2/3% increase in the application fee. Just wondering who in charge of the system pushed that through. And yes, we paid it.....$60 for the permits we applied for. I know it's probably a supply and demand curve basic economic hammer, but I can't help but feeling shitty about the increase. Just my 2 cents worth.

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I’m not saying anything bad until after feb 15
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Yeah, I noticed that too. Seems like $10 is the base application fee for all the lotteries I applied for.

At the risk of sounding political here, we live in an era of tax cuts, defunding public services, complaining about the insufficiency of those public services, and then privatizing what were once public services paid for by our tax dollars. As long as people in power are telling you we can cut taxes and the cuts will "pay for themselves with increased economic activity (they're not)" or that they'll just "trim fat from wasteful government spending," get used to increased use fees for everything. And with Rec.gov being a private service (see above), we've got to foot the bill for some Rec.gov CEO's golden parachute and stockholder dividends somehow...
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Andy hit the nail on the head. If our govt won't centrally tax and fund resources, they'll get the funding other ways. In the grand scheme of things, it is pretty minor for what we get. Heck, I even got over the local campground fee increase to $14 a night, even for early season when it is not fully open. So what if we end up paying $200 or so a season to camp? I wish it were free, but the time has long past for me to be a dirt bag freeloader.
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Word, Andy. The increase is bad enough, but unlike camping fees, I am actually NOT getting anything in return other than the chance to play a lottery. I really don't think it is costing them 66% more to process it this year than last considering it's all computerized. Budgets for employees and the landscapes they manage keep getting cut and we the people pay for more profiteering by private corporations.
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Don't mind the increase, as long as it is mostly going towards managing public lands, not to stoked if it is mostly going to Rec.gov, that would be a HUGE jump in price.
Anyone know WHO gets the funds from that increase?
The more expensive the IT contractor, the less of my money is left over for supporting public lands.
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Didn't Rec.gov just get their contract renewed? Or is that change happening in 2019? That is probably why we had one big increase, new contract, and because it has been the same for a long time (ever?).
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So, does anyone else remember a number of discussions this past spring about the guy who hired a Russian programmer to write code that would take advantage in a weakness in the recreation.gov system where it would constantly ping the system looking for cancellations? There was much discussion around gaming the system.

The end result was that recreation.gov made some changes in how they handled giving out cancellations. They also announced that the fee would have to increase to $10 to run the new code. Everything I remember discussed here after the change was that it was a great improvement.

Anyway, that's why the fee went up.

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Seems a little steep to me for a one-time program fix. And we sure do have a short memory on MB! I think it's a shame they couldn't do what GC does and have follow up lotteries where applicants in the main lottery can play with no additional fee.
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Yeah, someone mentioned here in May of last year that fees were rising on rec.gov

I believe the fees are actually just for the contractor, not the government. I don't think the government makes any money off of lotteries and applications run through rec.gov as they no longer administer them. I believe the government only receives user fees for actual reservations, whether they are first-come-first-serve or successful lottery applications.
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So, does anyone else remember a number of discussions this past spring about the guy who hired a Russian programmer to write code that would take advantage in a weakness in the recreation.gov system where it would constantly ping the system looking for cancellations? There was much discussion around gaming the system.

The end result was that recreation.gov made some changes in how they handled giving out cancellations. They also announced that the fee would have to increase to $10 to run the new code. Everything I remember discussed here after the change was that it was a great improvement.

Anyway, that's why the fee went up.

<opinion>
Seems a little steep to me for a one-time program fix. And we sure do have a short memory on MB! I think it's a shame they couldn't do what GC does and have follow up lotteries where applicants in the main lottery can play with no additional fee.
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Good point, and I agree with your opinion. I will admit to not having a great memory myself too, unfortunately. To many things to remember.

I like the way the Grand Canyon Lottery is handled. I think GCNP is doing a better job of that portion, then Rec.gov
You can even change your dates before the lottery is run.
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