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Old 03-13-2018   #1
 
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4 rivers cancelation pick-up

I have been watching MF, Main Salmon, and Snake pretty regularly. I have not seen one permit pop up, even one that doesn't fit my schedule. Not one. 2 years ago, that was not the case. Have any of you? (if so congrats) Just want to know if it is still rigged against of because of the Computer programmers. Happy boating!

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This morning the MFS had July 4th, August 10th and 11th showed up available at 8:20 am MDT. Only the 11th remained at 8:59 am, the other 2 just disappeared. VERY INTERESTING
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I did pick up a Snake trip last week, so it is possible.
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Old 03-13-2018   #4
 
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Four Rivers Cancellations

Rec.gov is having serious problems right now. I called them Sunday when I noticed a cancellation indicated with an "A" disappear before the two hour booking window. I called them Monday and today as well. The Rec.gov Supervisors take the information but nothing changes. Generally, the representatives are unable to talk intelligently about the admittedly complicated system in place for obtaining cancellations. I don't know what else to say. It's frustrating.

I also talked to the forest service, twice yesterday and again today. They are aware of the problem and are trying to get it fixed.They are knowledgeable and responsive but they have to deal with Rec.gov to get with problem resolved. Not an easy task.

I can only guess what's happening since I do not know for sure, but I can say that the rules appear to have changed for obtaining a cancellation and obviously it's not fair and equitable since some people seem to be aware of the problem and have used the glitch to their advantage. Good luck with obtaining permits.
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Old 03-13-2018   #5
 
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I have been trying to pick up a permit every morning at 9am mountain time for the last week.. I have tried and failed at probably over 10 permits that are just gone at 9am. I think its the fastest internet wins and thats not me. yesterday there was a july 4th middle fork an aug 11th middle fork and a july 31 main that all disappeared before they where supposed to be released at 9am mountain time.. So something fishy is going on.
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Rec.gov

Okay, so I was a little hard on Rec.gov in my earlier post. To be fair, they book many different locations and customer service cannot be expected to know all of the policies related to each place. But, from my conversations, it appears like they don't have the rules available to them in an easy to understand format.
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I miss the call in and/or the ramdon release, hate the all or nothing at one time they are doing now. Trying to beat out 2127 people sitting at their keyboards waiting for 9 am MDT is about the same odds as winning a GC permit on your first try.
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Old 03-13-2018   #8
 
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I 100% agree. I miss the random releases. I didn't see nearly as many permits, but if I saw one I had a great shot at getting it. Now I get to see permits every day, and have my soul crushed every day at 9 am. It's like getting denied for the lottery every day.. Completely demoralizing.
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Same

Same feelings here. I miss the random release but I have learned to adapt to the new system.
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Old 03-13-2018   #10
 
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Yes random releases were much better in my opinion. I can't help but wonder if these permits are cancelled permits that are just popping up early but won't actually be available until March 16th at 9am.
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