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Old 04-10-2017   #1
 
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$100 Scalp Fee Middle ForkůGreedy

Anchorless on the “Improving 4-Rivers and Dinosaur Permit Systems” just shared that a guy has created an automated program that searches rec.gov 24/7 for your desired permit date for a $100 fee.

Greedy!

Here's info for the 4 River Permit Office:
Contact Info:

Home - River Nerd

Billy
[email protected]



[email protected]

[email protected]

Middle Fork of the Salmon River
Middle Fork Ranger District
208-879-4101
Fax: 208-879-4198

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Not just Middle Fork but everything 4Rivers REC.GOV.


Is anyone else pissed?! I keep thinking of how many hours / days / weeks of total time I've spent on the computer when really I didn't even stand a chance. This explains how all of the "A"s disappeared in a micro second.


How do we fix this? I'll start calling tomorrow but is that all we can do?
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Not just Middle Fork but everything 4Rivers REC.GOV.


Is anyone else pissed?! I keep thinking of how many hours / days / weeks of total time I've spent on the computer when really I didn't even stand a chance. This explains how all of the "A"s disappeared in a micro second.


How do we fix this? I'll start calling tomorrow but is that all we can do?
Earlier, this modern day TOLL BRIDGE TROLL had just the Middle Fork listed and has since added all of the 4 River permit, so lets also write and call these other offices:

Main Salmon River
North Fork Ranger District
208-865-2700
Fax: 208-865-2738
[email protected]

Snake River
Hells Canyon National Recreation Area
888-758-8037
(509) 758-1957
Fax: (509) 758-1963

Selway River
West Fork Ranger District
406-821-3269
Fax: 406-821-1211
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Wow. Your public lands sold to the highest bidder.
Please no one actually do it, but someone aught to strangle this little fuck.
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This is a problem created by technology (Rec.gov), real rafters — i.e., humans — are now left out in the cold, unless we pay some greedy asshole a toll to gain access to the river.

If the permit issuing process were more low tech, it would be much harder to game the system. For example, to camp below the rim of the Grand Canyon, it has a section that is explicitly labeled “enter by hand, not with the computer.”
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Jeez, well that may explain things. I was hitting the site with great regularity and did get a Main to match my MF but then saw absolutely nothing come up later which is really odd. I always said it should be easy for someone with the know how to do this kind of thing but I figured they would only do it for themselves not try to turn it into a business.

Who is the guy? Someone must know........ Some bad river karma headed that way.
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He has a Utah phone number. Don't know if it's real or not; don't know if what he's doing is illegal or not. Hopefully between that and his site IP he can be traced.
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He has a Utah phone number. Don't know if it's real or not; don't know if what he's doing is illegal or not. Hopefully between that and his site IP he can be traced.
Be great to see what his batting average has been the last few permit seasons.
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Who is the guy?

Billy Bateman Twitted on January 15th about launching rivernerd.com:

https://twitter.com/BillyBateman2/st...58467442937856

https://www.facebook.com/billy.bateman.75
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I guarantee this guy is not the only one doing it. The problem is not Billy or any one Code writer, the problem is that the system is designed with loopholes that allow these programs to take advantage of the system.
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