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Old 03-16-2016   #1
 
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Worst Beta/Sandbag?

All right lets hear it, no names needed unless they need a burn. (here, on MB?) whats the worst River Beta you have ever received? You know those peeps who downplay a class V to "class 2 boogie water." Tell you its "just a little poor over, boof of the lip and paddle..." When in reality there is no boof, you loose all your speed before the non existent boof, and land in a horseshoe shaped land of retentive hell. All right proceed....

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Old 03-17-2016   #2
 
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"I know this rapid is new, but we don't need to scout....

Third wave looks like a hole, but isn't. It will be fine.

Just follow me."


A minute later... after 2 18ish foot rafts opened a yard sale of equipment and I was getting chundered in a kayak...

"Funny, not only did it look like a hole, it kinda feels like one too..."
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Old 03-17-2016   #3
 
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Waterton is always just a class 3, even at flood stage


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Old 03-17-2016   #4
 
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In a small eddy above a large, misting horizon line on a steep stout big volume river in the Altai...In a thick Russian accent, the beta given before dropping in blind was...
"This.....is not a rapid"

Same scenario, different river the beta was
"This rapid.....Class four"

Same scenario, different river the beta was
"This rapid.....always middle. Watch for holes."

Russians give the best beta.
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First time we ran the Slate we were eddy hoping looking for Wicked Wanda. We came to a horizon line, my friend took one step out of his boat and concluded: "This isn't it"
Me: "Anything to worry about?"
Him: "No just a little double drop, probably don't have to boof."

Cut to me and the scouter buddy surfing the hole/cauldron in wicked wanda while the third boater boofed on top of us.
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The New Testament failing to call the Virgin Narrows class 5...
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The New Testament failing to call the Virgin Narrows class 5...
It's not class V. Maybe class IV at higher flows. Wood hazards exist which add danger but don't increase the class to V


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Read and Run

I'd take that deal n crawfish, then drill that ole devil in the ass.
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It's not class V. Maybe class IV at higher flows. Wood hazards exist which add danger but don't increase the class to V


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That was a joke, Jeff. There's been a tear or two shed here on the Buzz about this subject...
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That was a joke, Jeff. There's been a tear or two shed here on the Buzz about this subject...
Ya got me. But it's a sensitive subject with me. The high limit of 600 CFS was set by the Zion National Park management for getting permits to kayak the Narrows based on their limited resources and some arbitrary opinions on what's considered high water in the Narrows. That all relates to misunderstandings about the true nature of the run which is sad for expert kayakers who are being punished for the actions of a few boaters that misunderstood the beta that they got. I'm all for spreading accurate beta so the river can maybe once again become "free."


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