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Shelly's cottages and put in for proving grounds

Here's the final decision

Need more voices to get more wins. We only got 50 percent of what we need on this one. It ain't over yet though.



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To: ​​Rebecca Tyer
Coordinator, St. Vrain Creek Coalition

Karla Brown
President, St. Vrain Creek Coalition Board of Directors

From: ​​Andrew Barth
Boulder County Transportation

Re: ​​Comments to Longmont Dam Road, 90% Completion Phase Drawings

Date: ​​October 6, 2015

Thank you for your comments and questions regarding the 90% Completion Phase Drawings for Longmont Dam Road. Please see below for the Boulder County Transportation Department response. Please feel free to contact me with any further questions.

1. Boating Access to the Creek
Previous to the flood of September 2013, there were three places along Longmont Dam Road/CR 808 that boaters accessed North St. Vrain Creek:

• City of Longmont property on the west end
• Hanley property (private resident) in the middle
• County property near the “nuclear bridge” on the east end
None of these locations were installed or formally-maintained by the county, city or private owner as a legal point from where to access the water. The unauthorized access points were created over time by recreational boaters and other people visiting the area.

After the flood, these three locations were significantly altered by high-water volumes seen coming down the creek from Buttonrock Reservoir, which destroyed the informal ramps that had been created. Boulder County Transportation is currently designing the permanent repairs to Longmont Dam Road and has been asked if it is possible to replace/reconstruct water access points along the road.

At this time, after discussing roadway plans with private property owners along the road, the county has learned that no new access points will be permitted by private owners from the areas of land that they own.



Other opportunities to install public, formal creek access points may be pursued with the City of Longmont and/or Boulder County’s Parks and Open Space (POS). It is recommended that the Saint Vrain Creek Coalition (SVCC) and other interested parties contact these two entities regarding the feasibility and requirements of considering formal access points at these locations.



In addition, Boulder County has initiated initial conversations about the potential for recreational opportunities on future “buy-out” properties. These conversations are in the preliminary stages and no decisions have been made. In addition, all “buy-out” properties will be subject to the land management requirements of the program.





The design of the road will not preclude possible future placement of creek access points should the coalition be able to negotiate for their construction in the future.

2. Root Balls
No root balls will be placed in the creek as part of the road reconstruction process. It is undetermined whether this stabilization technique will be used as part of the N. St. Vrain Creek restoration process. There will be opportunities to provide feedback on the draft design of this restoration project at the October 14th SVCC Advisory Council Meeting.

3. Preservation of Natural Features of Creek Bed
The reconstruction of Longmont Dam Road will not include in-stream restoration of the creek except as needed to protect the road. The N. St. Vrain Creek Restoration project will evaluate and address the natural features of the creek bed to best promote stream stability and aquatic habitat. Boulder County has no plans to remove materials from the creek bed and use them in the reconstruction of the road. This specification will be added to the contract so that contractors are aware that material for the road cannot come from the creek.

4. Low Private Access Bridges


The SVCC and recreational boating community has asked if the county can have private property owners who are rebuilding private access bridges from Longmont Dam Road over the N St. Vrain Creek onto their private property make them higher to better facilitate the safe passage of boaters passing underneath the structures. This is not currently a requirement for obtaining a permit and at this point, Boulder County does not intend to make changes to bridge requirements for this purpose as our focus is ensuring residents are able to restore access to their homes while meeting current requirements.

In order to allow for safe entrance and exit from the creek Boulder County evaluated the possibility of constructing access ramps near bridges where overhead clearance may be a concern and where Boulder County has prescriptive right-of-way and the authority to do so. Based on feedback from recreation stakeholders, it was determined that this option did not meet the needs of the boating community and is therefore not included in the construction plans.

Again, we appreciate your input and we look forward to working with you in the future.






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Erdvm1 can you summarize for us that aren't as familiar with the situation? Reading through it, I get bits of pieces and can tell there are some things that are definitely not favoring recreational boating, and other things that seem better or to maintain the status quo, but its hard to put it in context.

I.e. can you fill us in on the previous state, the current state, the good (the 50 percent that we got?), the bad (the 50 percent that we didn't?), and what we can expect to see next, and any additional steps we can take.
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Erdvm1 can you summarize for us that aren't as familiar with the situation? Reading through it, I get bits of pieces and can tell there are some things that are definitely not favoring recreational boating, and other things that seem better or to maintain the status quo, but its hard to put it in context.

I.e. can you fill us in on the previous state, the current state, the good (the 50 percent that we got?), the bad (the 50 percent that we didn't?), and what we can expect to see next, and any additional steps we can take.

Previous state
There was no official access
There were no man placed root balls
The bridges were navigable at high flows
The riverbed was natural for the most part

Current state
Same as above but riverbed has changed
Road has and will change
Less bridges because washed away

So the summary. The contractors had stated that they were going to harvest materials from the riverbed to reduce cost. They actually referenced removing rocks from some of the best Rapids because they thought kayakers didn't like having this many rocks in the river
We were able to address that
That's a win

Root balls have been used in the river for bank stabilization and improved fish habitat. They pose a threat to I stream recreationists

We addressed that.
Another win

Access is currently the same and BoCo would require extensive planning research etc etc to authorize the implementation of official access.
This will likely be the same as it always is but there is a recreational planning grant that the st Vrain creek coalition will be submitting which may address this.
Lost here but keep talking up the importance of river access for boaters


The code for bridge height has been lowered by boulder county. So now new bridges can be built lower which will be an inherent risk to boaters.

We lost on this but it's not over.
This is the biggest issue and doesn't just effect the st vrains

Write and email or letter to Elise Jones at the Boulder County Commissioners office and explain why the new private bridges that are to be built must consider safe navigable boat passage before permitting of that bridge is allowed by BoCO.

If everyone does this. That will help.
Believe me, they are listening, but they haven't heard from enough people yet.


Email address for Elise Jones
Elise is an amazing representative and is very willing to listen and help address issues like this

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Attention: Elise Jones


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Thanks, Erdvm1. I'll shoot something over to elise at Bococo about the bridge height and access
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