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Old 04-29-2020   #51
 
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Arizona does in fact have a stay at home order that expires tomorrow, and may or may not be extended.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/wh...-nears-its-end

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Old 04-29-2020   #52
 
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There is an executive order limiting activities in Arizona. It does not however limit recreation other than to suggest distancing where possible.



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Old 04-29-2020   #53
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Yep, everyone of you should volunteer for the job of Governor of Colorado. You'd do so well with the criticism. Regardless of what you would dictate or what Polis has said, local communities are dealing with the pandemic in their best interest. Before heading out you might want to check with the counties you intend to visit.

For example Chaffee County: Public Health Coronavirus


And yes, Chaffee County still doesn't want you.


Mesa County, go for it. https://health.mesacounty.us/covid19/


Eagle County, locals only. You need to read the Health Order. https://www.eaglecounty.us/COVID19/


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Old 04-29-2020   #54
 
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These stay at home orders lead me to an interesting question. Sure its unconstitutional without a declaration of martial law. But its not the first time we've been down this road. We did it during the spanish flu and lots of times cause of smallpox going all the way back to the founding fathers. Now this order does infringe on your rights, no question. But spreading desease infringes on other peoples right to life. ... I guess for all those who feel that their liberties are getting trampled on, you could infringe on other peoples life, liberty and happiness by not complying.
A couple of weeks ago I was doing some research looking back at public health policy over the centuries.

This was just as the news about the protests to open up the states were going on. One thing I learned was that in the US we have about 150 years of legal precedent supporting public health requirements around quarantine and other measures to prevent people from spreading disease. My understanding is that this is rooted in the notion that one of the primary functions of the government is to provide for public safety – and it’s long been settled that this applies to microscopic enemies as well as thugs, terrorists, and foreign armies. There are legal cases from epidemics back into the 1800s that all come down firmly on the side that says my right to NOT get infected by you takes priority over your right to go out and assemble with other folks and spread (or catch) contagion. Basically anyone complaining about quarantine orders infringing on their constitutional rights is similar to folks that complain about their loss of free speech because they can't shout “fire” in a crowded theater. And anyone that wants to change all this will have to take it up the legal system to the Supreme Court.

Another interesting thing I learned is that the root of the word "quarantine" comes from the 15th century practice, during times of plague, of imposing a 40-day isolation period for ships before letting anyone, or any cargo, off the ship after it arrived in the port. Just think how those merchants, whose “ship had come in,” must have felt having to wait over a month for their goods to be unloaded (much less the sailors on board!), especially if perishable. So basically the history of epidemics causing painful times for commerce and trade, in order to safeguard public safety, goes back centuries and is firmly rooted in Western society - it hurt just as much back then (or more) as it does now.

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Old 04-29-2020   #55
 
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These orders are simply asking people to be RESPONSIBLE human beings. Don't be the douche bag who pisses in the pool & ruins summer fun for everybody else.
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I appreciate your perspective and insight. Giving information from a historical perspective always seems like a good place to start.
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Another interesting thing I learned is that the root of the word "quarantine" comes from the 15th century practice, during times of plague, of imposing a 40-day isolation period for ships before letting anyone, or any cargo, off the ship after it arrived in the port. Just think how those merchants, whose “ship had come in,” must have felt having to wait over a month for their goods to be unloaded (much less the sailors on board!), especially if perishable. So basically the history of epidemics causing painful times for commerce and trade, in order to safeguard public safety, goes back centuries and is firmly rooted in Western society - it hurt just as much back then (or more) as it does now.

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Could you imagine a 15th century ship in port for 40 days? You thought Netflix and high speed internet was tough for awhile that would be TERRIBLE.
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A couple of weeks ago I was doing some research looking back at public health policy over the centuries.

This was just as the news about the protests to open up the states were going on. One thing I learned was that in the US we have about 150 years of legal precedent supporting public health requirements around quarantine and other measures to prevent people from spreading disease. My understanding is that this is rooted in the notion that one of the primary functions of the government is to provide for public safety – and it’s long been settled that this applies to microscopic enemies as well as thugs, terrorists, and foreign armies. There are legal cases from epidemics back into the 1800s that all come down firmly on the side that says my right to NOT get infected by you takes priority over your right to go out and assemble with other folks and spread (or catch) contagion. Basically anyone complaining about quarantine orders infringing on their constitutional rights is similar to folks that complain about their loss of free speech because they can't shout “fire” in a crowded theater. And anyone that wants to change all this will have to take it up the legal system to the Supreme Court.

Another interesting thing I learned is that the root of the word "quarantine" comes from the 15th century practice, during times of plague, of imposing a 40-day isolation period for ships before letting anyone, or any cargo, off the ship after it arrived in the port. Just think how those merchants, whose “ship had come in,” must have felt having to wait over a month for their goods to be unloaded (much less the sailors on board!), especially if perishable. So basically the history of epidemics causing painful times for commerce and trade, in order to safeguard public safety, goes back centuries and is firmly rooted in Western society - it hurt just as much back then (or more) as it does now.

-AH

So how does my right to go out and live my life infringe on your right to stay at home and hide in the closet? To take your argument to a logical conclusion, exercising the right to assemble does not infringe on your right to shelter in place. If you are sheltering in place you should be safe regardless of what I do as long as I don't come into your house.


The converse is that your demand that I stay home to protect you from an irrational fear very much infringes on the rights of others.



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And by the way, the mans damned name is Shutz. Jared Shutz
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"If you are sheltering in place you should be safe regardless of what I do as long as I don't come into your house."

the thinking is that you may unknowingly transmit the virus wherever you go. Then it spreads and gets others (me?) down the road. so yeah, that could be considered infringing on someone's rights. Let's let the folks who know more than us make these calls?
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