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Old 10-27-2008   #1
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Why conservatives should vote Obama

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9. Less debt. Yes, Obama will raise taxes on those earning over a quarter of a million. And he will spend on healthcare, Iraq, Afghanistan and the environment. But so will McCain. He plans more spending on health, the environment and won't touch defense of entitlements. And his refusal to touch taxes means an extra $4 trillion in debt over the massive increase presided over by Bush. And the CBO estimates that McCain's plans will add more to the debt over four years than Obama's. Fiscal conservatives have a clear choice.
Democrats are the party of fiscal responsibility today...

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2. Conservative reform. Until conservatism can get a distance from the big-spending, privacy-busting, debt-ridden, crony-laden, fundamentalist, intolerant, incompetent and arrogant faux conservatism of the Bush-Cheney years, it will never regain a coherent message to actually govern this country again. The survival of conservatism requires a temporary eclipse of today's Republicanism. Losing would be the best thing to happen to conservatism since 1964. Back then, conservatives lost in a landslide for the right reasons. Now, Republicans are losing in a landslide for the wrong reasons.
The only way to save the Republican party is to destroy it. Fortunately, Obama is a pretty small-c conservative candidate compared to anything the Republican party has offered for a national office in years.

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1. The War Against Islamist terror. The strategy deployed by Bush and Cheney has failed. It has failed to destroy al Qaeda, except in a country, Iraq, where their presence was minimal before the US invasion. It has failed to bring any of the terrorists to justice, instead creating the excresence of Gitmo, torture, secret sites, and the collapse of America's reputation abroad. It has empowered Iran, allowed al Qaeda to regroup in Pakistan, made the next vast generation of Muslims loathe America, and imperiled our alliances. We need smarter leadership of the war: balancing force with diplomacy, hard power with better p.r., deploying strategy rather than mere tactics, and self-confidence rather than a bunker mentality.

Those conservatives who remain convinced, as I do, that Islamist terror remains the greatest threat to the West cannot risk a perpetuation of the failed Manichean worldview of the past eight years, and cannot risk the possibility of McCain making rash decisions in the middle of a potentially catastrophic global conflict. If you are serious about the war on terror and believe it is a war we have to win, the only serious candidate is Barack Obama.
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Not included in that list that should be: Restoring checks and balances between legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government...

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Obama would be the worst person to put your trust in look at him. cocky bastard
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Obama would be the worst person to put your trust in look at him. cocky bastard
Care to elaborate? Cocky bastard? What does that "mean," Mike?
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you pobably don't want to get me started steve. im almost out of my presciption medication!
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Mike - thanks for the warning. Nevermind...
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Wisen up Helio, the Atlantic Monthly is not quite a bipartisan source. I tried to look up the CBO report that they based their inference on but couldn't locate...dubious source at best is the AM. And yes I know who Andrew Sullivan is.
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Obama would be the worst person to put your trust in look at him. cocky bastard
Well he is being challenged by Grandpa Simpson and Peggy Hill. I'd smirk too. G.W. has quite the smirk himself, only his comes after words like "embetterment" and "internets". Obama's is because he's giddy, and of course he is, he's beating the pants off of the very people that made him want to go into politics. It's like getting a hand job in the popcorn on the first date at the movies. You know, with the hole in the bucket. You never thought it would happen, and no matter how cool you are, how hard you try, there's a smirk. I mean, nine times out of ten you're getting slapped for that shit.

He deserves a little cockiness.

So Mike? Lummis or Trauner?
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Cocky? Yeah, right—

Obama's uppity. Disrespectful. Doesn't know his place.

Of course, he's organized the most disciplined and effective political campaign in recent history, which hints at a certain degree of executive ability— and judgement— utterly lacking on the R-side.

I've been calling undecided Republicans for the Gary Trauner (D-WY) campaign and am surprised how few of them feel strongly about his opponent (Lummis) or the McCain/Palin ticket.

Pretty tired— they deserve a good, long rest.
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lummis. trauner is only a business man he doesn't give a shit. lummis is wyoming. tax deductable health care thats what i am talking about its a plus to go to the docter as well as lower your taxes at the end of the year double gold star.
trauner stance on the 2nd amendment isn't anything what lummis's issues are. she has many many views that i share with her. no private individual should have to register a weapon and seek approval from the feds for a private sell. and to not reenact the bans from the clinton era. wyoming rancher or wyoming business man?
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Wisen up Helio, the Atlantic Monthly is not quite a bipartisan source.
I think the Atlantic's masthead is pretty accurate: "Of no party or clique." They have a variety of people besides Sullivan, but Sullivan is an honest, small-c conservative.

I don't consider you a reasonable conservative, Mr. C. You appear to me to be one who has circled the wagons around the party defense, even when the party defies real conservative principles (things like keeping government out of bedrooms, feduciary responsibility, and measuring the actual results of policy to see if they are working in places like say, Iraq, Wall Street, Guantanamo Bay, etc.)

I am not going to sit around and defend the fuckers who refuse to accept that it is the Republicans who killed conservatism. Those who persist in denial can continue to reap what the last 8 years have sown, but I'm not going to pretend they are not the biggest part of the problem of rebuilding.

The facts are out there: the divide and conquer electoral policies of Bush have won two election cycles for president, and lost 4 (soon to be 5) election cycles in Congress. How many presidential cycles the Republicans lose is now dependent on their ability to empirically analyze the last 8 years objectively. I hold out little hope for the Republicans nationally before 2016...

Look at what happened in Britain when Blair was elected; That's about to happen here.
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