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Old 07-18-2013   #1
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This is so ironic it isn't even funny

E-Verifile is a government program used by employers to verify an applicant's right to work in the United States. It confirms that the applicant is who they say they are and that they have a legal right to work.
It is not a background check
It is not a way to catch illegal immigrants

Almost all government agencies use it, and require companies doing business with them to use it.

Many states require employers to use it or face consequences. Arizona will cancel a business license if an employer hires illegal immigrants.

Look what e-verifile is doing now........
now, e-verifile is available in Spanish. Really!

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ok, schultzie, it's actually not a link to E-Verify but a link to a immigration service website for people applying for citizenship from all over the world and giving them materials in their own languages, not just spanish but korean, chinese, and other languages. is what you really meant to say something like this?

OMG!!! the US GUBBERMENT is helping FURINERS study for their CITIZENSHIP tests by giving them CHEAT SHEETS in their own languages!!! Can you believe the US GUBBERMENT is encouraging people from all over the world to COME TO THE US AND TAKE OUR JOBS AND TEACH americans to HATE AMERICA??? and if the US GUBBERMENT helps brown skinned people in other languages then it must HATE ENGLISH! and if the us gubberment HATES ENGLISH it must HATE AMERICANS!!! AND its all the fault of that fascist, socialist, commie FOREIGN BORN barak HUSSEIN Obama because he hates all TRUE AMERICANS and wants to put angry old white guys like me IN DEATH PANELS!!!!

is that what you really meant to tell us?
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No, cracker, you missed the point.

E-Verify can now be completed in Spanish.

Apparently you haven't done a job application in the last 10 or so years, you wouldn't know that you complete your part of a two part form and show identification to your employer as your part of the process.

The employer looks at your ID, completes their part of the form, and submits it.

Your part of the form has always been available in Spanish, or one of many other languages.

The employer part has always been in English.

Now, even the employer part is available in multiple languages.

The irony that even employers can now use a language other than English was the point.

Which you totally missed.

You know, cause apparently you wanted to be a smart ass
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No, cracker, you missed the point.

E-Verify can now be completed in Spanish.

Apparently you haven't done a job application in the last 10 or so years, you wouldn't know that you complete your part of a two part form and show identification to your employer as your part of the process.

The employer looks at your ID, completes their part of the form, and submits it.

Your part of the form has always been available in Spanish, or one of many other languages.

The employer part has always been in English.

Now, even the employer part is available in multiple languages.

The irony that even employers can now use a language other than English was the point.

Which you totally missed.

You know, cause apparently you wanted to be a smart ass

Since Small business owners can't possibly be ESL? I definitely don't get your point.
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Small business owners (under 25 employees) are not required to use e-verifile
Small business owners typically don't use e-verifile
Even so, how many small business owners can there be that can successfully operate a business in the United States, and not understand English well enough to complete a straightforward form?
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It's e-verify. Are you mistaken or intentionally changing the title for some unknown to me reason like hate the program, hate the government, whatever? Please explain yourself and tell me your not a hater. Too bad if so, you seem like an ok fellow in your other posts. Hell of a position to argue from; the color of a person's skin, the language they communicate with and the supposed threat to your own individual rights and freedom. Seems like a non-starter topic. "Cracker"? are you ok with the hate behind that word when it's used in the text you chose? Just askin.
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English is only our language be default. The U.S. does not have an official sanctioned language. Just because someone doesn't speak/write English or do it well doesn't mean they aren't qualified and legal for work privileges. Please explain why this is ironic or sad or whatever. Right now as others are alluding to you are just coming across as a bigot.
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wow.
Okay; I'll explain my feelings about immigration so we can (hopefully) put that to rest and move on to the point.

I welcome people from other countries coming here legally. I want them to bring their culture, their language, their food;their "themness" here. Share it all with us, Mix it in with ours, its what we're about. Welcome! I don't care what color your skin is, I don't care what religion works for you, I don't care what your native language is. I don't even care if it's normal for you to eat puppies. Bring it on! Welcome! Learn about us, our food, our culture, our "usness". Above all, mix in. It's what we are, mixers.

If you are here illegally, go home. You shouldn't be here. We have a process. Follow it. As flawed as it is, you have to start your citizenship legally. Otherwise, you show disrespect for us and our country right from the start.

One of the requirements to become a citizen is that you can function with our language at a high school level. No, we don't have an "official" national language, but by default its.........English! Who knew!

I understand the need to put the employee portion of the e-verify process in languages other than English; people legally immigrate here a bunch of ways, and don't always know our language. They still need to work, you know, while they learn English. But now, they put the employer part in other languages. You'd think before you started a business in another country that used a language other than your native one, you'd at least learn the language.

So, the process intended to keep illegal aliens from taking jobs away from Americans who do have a legal right to work here can now be completed by people who don't meet one of the basic requirements. And, they can hire people now as well.

I find that just too ironic. But, maybe it's too subtle for this crowd. Sorry.
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I do not see the irony in your argument. I do see an underlying bias in your words however. That's too bad.

Some examples I know of that undercut your argument are:

A good friend born in France, English is his second language. When he emigrated to the U.S. legally, his English reading skills were not that good. He was at that time a real estate broker with quite a few employees.

Another legal businessman emigrated legally from the Vietnam evacuation and immediately opened a retail operation with employees, again, with less than basic English skills.

I trade with a number of Hispanic business owners, most I assume to be in the U.S. legally and their businesses operate legally. They are employers and their English skills vary from excellent to pretty darn poor.

Like it or not, we live in a world economy. U.S. business operates legally in other countries and businesses from other countries operate legally in the U.S.

Point is, the doc you find so much irony in is just one other useful tool provided by our government to assist people to operate their employment practices in a more legal fashion as they assimilate into the U.S. culture. Your not-so-well-thought-out scoff at this is insulting at best.

I have heard your narrow-minded and rather piss-poor argument before. Like how much you love legal immigration and all others should get out of town, just like many zealot politicians and hate-radio jockeys and many other folks who choose to point fingers at others from their lily-white comfort zone. Not much I can do about that but hope you find a way through it all.
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Sorry you feel that way. My attempt at tossing some humor out has fallen flat. My "this is ironic" has led to my being labeled as a racist.

I have many friends who came here from other countries. One barely escaped from Iran during the Iranian revolution, and today he's both a successful business owner more of a patriot than most Americans. He can debate racism in four languages.

He's the one who pointed out the change in I-9 to me. he thought it was ironic. I thought I'd share it. Silly me. He knows me much better than this bunch, he doesn't consider me a racist.

I sponsored a family from Jamaica who moved here in the 90's. His family now runs a very successful shipping business. He spoke English when he got here, but one of his hot buttons is immigrants who come here and won't learn English. He refuses to hire them. He knows me better than this bunch, and he doesn't think I'm a racist.

My brother in law is second generation Immigrant. If you discuss legal/illegal immigration with him, he'll set you back on your heels talking about how illegal immigrants need to get the hell out. He refuses to learn the language his parents spoke when they immigrated. He says he's an American, and Americans speak English. He's not a racist and he doesn't think I'm a racist.

My attempt at some humor has devolved into painting me as "just like many zealot politicians and hate-radio jockeys and many other folks who choose to point fingers at others from their lily-white comfort zone."

If coboater wants to paint me as a cracker based on this, wants to insult me, fine. But expect some blow back.

I gotta say, the haters posting here aren't me.
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