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Old 09-11-2008   #1
 
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REAL CHANGE

In the next few months when you are watching Obama and McCain debate take notice and then ask yourself why the two candidates DO NOT discuss real issues like the 4 listed below. With this excercise you may realize that the REAL change America needs will not come through either of the two candidates. Or, maybe you won't.


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Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.
The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.
Good speech by Ron Paul... Ron Paul’s Campaign For Liberty


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The coverage of the presidential election is designed to be a grand distraction. This is not new, but this year, it’s more so than ever.
Pretending that a true difference exists between the two major candidates is a charade of great proportion. Many who help to perpetuate this myth are frequently unaware of what they are doing and believe that significant differences actually do exist. Indeed, on small points there is the appearance of a difference. The real issues, however, are buried in a barrage of miscellaneous nonsense and endless pontifications by robotic pundits hired to perpetuate the myth of a campaign of substance.
The truth is that our two-party system offers no real choice. The real goal of the campaign is to distract people from considering the real issues.
Influential forces, the media, the government, the privileged corporations and moneyed interests see to it that both party’s candidates are acceptable, regardless of the outcome, since they will still be in charge. It’s been that way for a long time. George Wallace was not the first to recognize that there’s “not a dime’s worth of difference” between the two parties. There is, though, a difference between the two major candidates and the candidates on third-party tickets and those running as independents.
The two parties and their candidates have no real disagreements on foreign policy, monetary policy, privacy issues, or the welfare state. They both are willing to abuse the Rule of Law and ignore constitutional restraint on Executive Powers. Neither major party champions free markets and private-property ownership.
Those candidates who represent actual change or disagreement with the status quo are held in check by the two major parties in power, making it very difficult to compete in the pretend democratic process. This is done by making it difficult for third-party candidates to get on the ballots, enter into the debates, raise money, avoid being marginalized, or get fair or actual coverage. A rare celebrity or a wealthy individual can, to a degree, overcome these difficulties.
The system we have today allows a President to be elected by as little as 32% of the American people, with half of those merely voting for the “lesser of two evils”. Therefore, as little as 16% actually vote for a president. No wonder when things go wrong, anger explodes. A recent poll shows that 60% of the American people are not happy with the two major candidates this year.
This system is driven by the conviction that only a major party candidate can win. Voters become convinced that any other vote is a “wasted” vote. It’s time for that conclusion to be challenged and to recognize that the only way not to waste one’s vote is to reject the two establishment candidates and join the majority, once called silent, and allow the voices of the people to be heard.
We cannot expect withdrawal of troops from Iraq or the Middle East with either of the two major candidates. Expect continued involvement in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Georgia. Neither hints of a non-interventionist foreign policy. Do not expect to hear the rejection of the policy of supporting the American world empire. There will be no emphasis in protecting privacy and civil liberties and the constant surveillance of the American people. Do not expect any serious attempt to curtail the rapidly expanding national debt. And certainly, there will be no hint of addressing the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationship with big banks and international corporations and the politicians.
There is only one way that these issues can get the attention they deserve: the silent majority must become the vocal majority.
This message can be sent to our leaders by not participating in the Great Distraction—the quadrennial campaign and election of an American President without a choice. Just think of how much of an edge a Vice President has in this process, and he or she is picked by a single person—the party’s nominee. This was never intended by the Constitution.
Since a principled non-voter sends a message, we must count them and recognize the message they are sending as well. The non-voters need to hold their own “election” by starting a “League of Non-voters” and explain their principled reasons for opting out of this charade of the presidential elective process. They just might get a bigger membership than anyone would guess.
Write-in votes should not be discouraged, but the electoral officials must be held accountable and make sure the votes are counted. But one must not be naďve and believe that under today’s circumstances one has a chance of accomplishing much by a write-in campaign.
The strongest message can be sent by rejecting the two-party system, which in reality is a one-party system with no possible chance for the changes to occur which are necessary to solve our economic and foreign policy problems. This can be accomplished by voting for one of the non-establishment principled candidates—Baldwin, Barr, McKinney, Nader, and possibly others. (listed alphabetically)
Yes, these individuals do have strong philosophic disagreements on various issues, but they all stand for challenging the status quo—those special interest who control our federal government. And because of this, on the big issues of war, civil liberties, deficits, and the Federal Reserve they have much in common. People will waste their vote in voting for the lesser of two evils. That can’t be stopped overnight, but for us to have an impact we must maximize the total votes of those rejecting the two major candidates.
For me, though, my advice—for what it’s worth—is to vote! Reject the two candidates who demand perpetuation of the status quo and pick one of the alternatives that you have the greatest affinity to, based on the other issues.
A huge vote for those running on principle will be a lot more valuable by sending a message that we’ve had enough and want real change than wasting one’s vote on a supposed lesser of two evils.

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Thats a helluva' speech.Ron Paul is an honorable guy.I would love a multi-party system .I think the ideological differences between the parties are greater than was portrayed .Unfortunately the whole process has been polluted by the influence of corporate money.The Libertarians non interventionism is generally good ,worry a little it borders on isolationism.I agree with their views on things like legalizing drugs and prostitution and generally on civil liberties.I can't get behind their seemingly blind faith in market forces and abject hatred of government,although I CAN CERTAINLY SEE WHY THEY ARE FED UP WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT.

That being said this is a really bad time to risk allowing the republicans to win.They acted as though they had a mandate to abuse power when they lost the popular vote in 2000 [even dismissing any electoral hanky panky] and when W won by the narrowest margin of any incumbent to gain second term.Just think how bad it will be if they get in again.Please don't Nader this campaign.But during OBAMAS TERM THE MINOR PARTIES SHOULD ORGANIZE LIKE HELL TO PRESSURE OBAMA TO LIVE UP TO THE CREDO OF CHANGE AND ALSO TO MAKE THEMSELVES VIABLE FOR 2012.


oN privacy,probably the most disappointing thing Obama has done is sign off on F'ING FISA IN THE NAME OF COMPROMISE ,COMPROMISE WHAT YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES!! He left the door open to go after the Bushies but gave the telecoms immunity,blows.His biggest flip flop.
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Dude, the Republicans acted like they had a mandate to shred the Constitution!
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Either way you vote the real issues that plague the US will stay the same.

"The two parties and their candidates have no real disagreements on foreign policy, monetary policy, privacy issues, or the welfare state. They both are willing to abuse the Rule of Law and ignore constitutional restraint on Executive Powers."

A great little analogy...

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Imagine a long narrow beach, evenly crowded with holiday makers. Two ice-cream sellers decide to set up stalls. The ice-cream is the same and the price is the same, everyone on the beach is going to buy one ice cream that afternoon, they will simply buy the ice-cream from the nearest seller. So where do they set up stall?
If they set up equidistant from the ends and each other then the holiday makers have the least distance to walk and they both get half the business. But if our ice-cream seller on the right of the beach moves a bit to the left he then captures some of the other guy’s customers. In the end the only stable strategy is for both of them to be in the middle of the beach with half the customers each and sod the poor sunbathers at the end of the beach who now have to walk further - they have nowhere else to go if they want an ice-cream.

And this is the American Electoral System. The Republicans and Democrats stake out the same political space in order to appeal to the middle while assuming that those on the left and right will accept this strategy as a matter of having no other choices.
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Ideology and degree make a difference Marko,though not nearly enough.
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I keep thinking about voting Barr, I really do.

But stopping the Republicans is a higher principle to me in the real context of voting than voting for my true principles. So far.

If colorado starts to track McCain so heavily that it looks like it's his, I'll definitely vote Barr.
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helio i will vote barr with you.
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I remember vividly when Barr came out vehemently against the vile and unAmerican "Patriot Act." I thought, "I like this guy."

Barr is like a lot of Libertarians, sadly. I agree with them on core principles, but most of their candidates have been naive whackos.
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This sounds like you guys are only half cynical. Oh if Ron Paul had a party behind him, he would get elected. Like there are only a thousand people that are controlling the fate of America. Give me a break and quit sipping the KoolAide. If Ron Paul was on TV right now with just as many commercials as Obama or McCain, 75% of America would go, huh...did he fight for America, is he going to make my life better so I can buy more shit, does he believe in god, or one of the other asinine bs questions that keeps coming up. Phil Gramm was right we are a nation of whiners but mostly we are a nation dominated by greed.
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This sounds like you guys are only half cynical. Oh if Ron Paul had a party behind him, he would get elected. Like there are only a thousand people that are controlling the fate of America. Give me a break and quit sipping the KoolAide. If Ron Paul was on TV right now with just as many commercials as Obama or McCain, 75% of America would go, huh...did he fight for America, is he going to make my life better so I can buy more shit, does he believe in god, or one of the other asinine bs questions that keeps coming up. Phil Gramm was right we are a nation of whiners but mostly we are a nation dominated by greed.
I have a lot of respect for Ron Paul, but I find his isolationism completely incompatible with the realities of today's world. I wish we could ignore the rest of the crazy-assed world, but that isn't possible.
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