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Old 10-23-2012   #1
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Questions about election coverage and candidates.

Since reading Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent I watch news coverage and I am interested in the things that never get said. I am curious about your opinions of one thing I have noticed this election.

Four years ago at this time we heard continually about Obama's family. His father was a muslim and stories on his grandparents who raised him. Was he born in the US,etc. The journalism xray machine was on and aimed at Obama's family and upbringing. Hell they even made a big deal that his name was Obama. From what I have seen, they were a family of little infleunce and money.

Ok, so back to modern day. Why no discussion of Romneys father being born in Mexico? Zero discussion of Mitt's grandfather who moved to Mexico because he was avoiding the law for having 5 wives. No websites, no major news network has talked about this. Mitt's and son Tagg names just drip with Ivy league elitism but still zero discussion. From what I have seen, Mitt is a person of influence and quite a bit of money.

So my question is, did money and influence stop these stories from getting out?

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Probably, how can flip flopity Romney even be in the running he's the most conpulsive lier I've witnessed....he's scum he will write off his own campaign donations too watch. I really hope Romney loses. He's not gonna deal with the main problem which is over population... He's in denial 100percent. I also feel like his feelings for himself trump that of the world. Very sad world indeed. Fox is a brainwashing machine
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Money and influence can drive a narrative, but they can't "stop a story from getting out". You know about this, so it's obviously "out". Obama and the Dems certainly know about it too, and they're choosing not to talk about it.

Call it political correctness or taking the high road, but they're reluctant to be seen as bashing Mitt on his Mormonism, and that's what bringing up his grandfather's history would be seen as. You can bet Team Romney is ready for it.

Of course, no such considerations kept Republicans from going after Obama's pastor in 2008. Make of that what you will...
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My biggest disappointment so far is the amount of coverage the media devotes to the "horse race" part of the campaign (what the polling percentages say, who's ahead where, etc.) and other crap like that, and the lack of coverage as to what their actual positions are. NPR has even devoted the majority of their coverage to this cotton candy reporting.

When was the last time you got to see a clip of one of them speaking that lasted more than 3 or 4 seconds? If we want to figure out what they actually stand for, want to do, and what the effects of their policies would bee're left to the candidates ads or burrowing into wonkish analyses.

This is a true failing of our media and a serious disservice to the American People.

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horse race? we have less of those now.
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Democrats don't tend to go for the jugular as often, esp when it is about someone else (grandparents). That's good and bad imo, more civil, but they lose more often, esp lately with the surge of republican extremists.
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One thing ticking me off is the media not calling out lies enough.They are supposed to be up on the facts pre-interview/debate.In part it is because they are often hairdoos not journalists, but even when they do "fact check " they go out of their way to be non partisan and TIT for Tat. What 's wrong with that? Well its good if they are accurate and of comparable significance.But, much of the time you get one side saying two plus two equals four and the other saying two plus two equals five, then the media treating them ss co -equal arguments to appear non partisan.Sometimes the fact checkers settle on 4 and a half.Or the T for T are on issues of radically different importance but each side gets a point.Also there are far more than 2 or 4 points to review and not divided 50/ 50 on truthfullness.Even the good fact check sites go by analyzing statements verbatim rather than by essence or context.
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Money and influence can drive a narrative, but they can't "stop a story from getting out". You know about this, so it's obviously "out". Obama and the Dems certainly know about it too, and they're choosing not to talk about it.
It appears to me that the narrative can be changed enough to marginalize a story out of existence.

As far as the repetitive nature of all the ad's, it seems that if you repeat something long enough it can become truth for some people. I had someone tell me that they were voting for Romney due to Obama taking us to socialism. I showed him a chart of tax rates on the upper class for the last 100 years and total taxation charts showing there is simply no basis in fact for those assertions. I said show me the part that shows trending to socialism, he didnt want to talk about it. Sad.
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One thing ticking me off is the media not calling out lies enough.They are supposed to be up on the facts pre-interview/debate.In part it is because they are often hairdoos not journalists, but even when they do "fact check " they go out of their way to be non partisan and TIT for Tat.
There are a couple of things at play here:

1) The media have adopted the notion that none of these clean-cut, well-dressed people would actually tell a flat out lie and that, "well, you know, everyone tells their "truth" with some spin to it, but it's not actually a 'lie.'" Therefore the media can't challenge them or call a lie what it is, but have to come up with all kinds of BS euphemisms for when some's not telling the truth (ie. "lying").

2) The media also subscribe to, and promote, the notion that the truth is "somewhere in the middle between all points of view." This favors the side that is most willing to completely disregard reason and just start making stuff up. The further they go in their direction, the further the "middle" gets shifted in their direction.
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Great points especially #2. Over time the media and think tanks have moved our economic 'CENTER ' way to the right of international CENTER out of the mainstream of humanity.The pendulum is not allowed to swing only to be ratcheted to the right tor the last thirty years.
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