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Old 12-02-2009   #1
 
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Just A Little Reminder

While the price per barrel of oil has fallen from the last summer highs, it's beginning to rise again. What hasn't changed is the percentage of oil we import every day: over the past 12 months we have continued to import nearly two-thirds of the oil we use.

Most of the oil we import is used as a transportation fuel - cars, trucks, aircraft, boats and trains. About one barrel out of every five is used as diesel fuel to power heavy trucks -- 18-wheelers.

I am all for developing battery and fuel cell technology - or some other technology which is still in the laboratory stage. But neither batteries nor hydrogen are ready for widespread distribution to our national fleet of approximately 250 million cars and light trucks. A battery also won't push an 18-wheeler. The only fuel which is available to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is domestic natural gas.

Due to recent advances in technology, we now have the ability to recover natural gas from the enormous deposits in Texas, Louisiana and Appalachia in the lower 48 states. In fact, a recent study by the Potential Gas Committee estimates that natural gas reserves have surged by 35 percent. The 2,074 trillion cubic feet of domestic natural gas reserves cited in the study is the equivalent of nearly 350 billion barrels of oil, about the same as Saudi Arabia's oil reserves.

Natural gas is cheaper than diesel fuel. Natural gas is cleaner than diesel. It's abundant. And it's ours.

The time to act is now and the NAT GAS Act is the best tool we've had in decades to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

The NAT GAS Act of 2009 is a bi-partisan bill in both the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate. In the House, Congressmen Boren (D-OK), Larson (D-CT) and Sullivan (R-OK) introduced H.R. 1835 on April 1 and it already has more than 110 bi-partisan cosponsors. In the Senate, Senators Menendez (D-NJ) and Hatch (R-UT) were joined by Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-NV) to introduce S. 1408 on July 8.

The NAT GAS Act provides industry with the incentives to replace older diesel trucks with newer natural gas vehicles -- it's a great step in the right direction. It will provide the momentum for engine manufacturers, natural gas producers and natural gas distributors to ramp up and make a real difference in our dependence on foreign oil.

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Using natural gas for this purpose faces the same hurdles as using any other alternative fuel. There just isn't an established convenient distribution network for the everyday consumer. I'm sure truck companies would love to buy natural gas vehicles, but not if it takes drivers 50 miles out of their way to fill their tank every time they run low.

Also, car and truck companies would have to re-tool in order to produce these new vehicles, which they will likely be reluctant to do, even with incentives, as it is a costly process.

It seems that retooling and changing over gas stations across the country in order to use what is at the most a 20 year stop-gap measure until hydrogen fuel cells or better fuel cells are available is not the best idea.

For the moment we really have to accept the fact that we are wedded to foreign oil. Its this reason that we need an intelligent foreign policy to ensure our supply continues. I'd also rather use the incentives you talk about to incentivize research into hydrogen fuel cells and other better fuels so that we revolutionize cars sooner and can start a more permanent changeover sooner.
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Converting vehicles to Natural gas is actually very easy for the majority of vehicles, older ones are so easy that most people could do it themselves.

I'm all for the move to Nat gas. Of course if the US goes of oil, the price of oil will drop globally, due to less demand and more demand. If we are going to pollute our nation let's not pay terrorists and communist for the pollutants.
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Using natural gas for this purpose faces the same hurdles as using any other alternative fuel. There just isn't an established convenient distribution network for the everyday consumer.
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Actually most cities in the Western US have natural gaslines in most or all streets. I have natural gas in my house. Almost as widely distributed as electricity.


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It seems that retooling and changing over gas stations across the country in order to use what is at the most a 20 year stop-gap measure until hydrogen fuel cells or better fuel cells are available is not the best idea.
I'd also rather use the incentives you talk about to incentivize research into hydrogen fuel cells and other better fuels so that we revolutionize cars sooner and can start a more permanent changeover sooner.
Hydrogen is not an energy source . There are no hydrogen mines. Hydrogen is merely a very inefficient means of storing and transporting energy. Hydrogen is strictly an energy transport medium, as is electricity. But hydrogen is not an energy source, just as electricity is not an energy source.


The "Hydrogen Dream" is an obfuscation program by the energy industry to distract progresively minded folks from focusing on alternative energy production. Bush pushed hydrogen fuel cells only to look like he was doing something about the problem and distracted us so Big Oil (his true employer) could keep their monopoly longer. Let's stop those lies!
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Maybe someday hydrogen will be a viable energy storage system, something that can load balance wind power or such. A closed loop water cycle, electrolyzer to make the hydrogen with some of the wind power generated, then a fuel cell to consume the hydrogen to generate electricity when there is no wind. Instead of building all these natural gas load balancing plants, what a waste of money, resources, and energy. That's still a pipe dream, but maybe someday it will actually be a pipe. Shit I'm lost, I'm in the Eddy!

Anyone notice the latest news that says Abu Dhabi has NO oil? That's crazy.
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