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Old 11-07-2012   #1
 
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Congrats to everyone who voted for President Obama. I woke to the realization that I am old and pretty much completely out of touch with who/what America has become. Not sure I'll be able to change, but going to try. I hope that the country can survive, maybe my fears are not grounded in reality. I just can't see how we will survive fiscally. I used to be against gay marriage, I now don't care. If two folks want to get married, more power to them. I was against marijuana use. I agree, legalize it and stop the war on it as it's never worked and not going to. I am personally against abortion, won't support it, but I'm not going to tell someone else they are not allowed to do it, it's between them and their consience. I've always agreed to equal pay for equal work no matter what your age, ethinic background or gender. So for you fiscally conservative, socially progressive folks, what else do I need to re-evaluate?

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Assuming you share many standard conservative views,: Socialism is not communism or some threatening evil ideology, but a perfectly legitimate set of ideas that can be applied successfully,in varying degrees, and is perfectly compatible with democracy and small scale free enterprise.That Obamacare is not socialism anyway, but health insurance reform designed to address the cost spiraling out of control ( we already pay double what other advanced nations do and it was going up!) .That government is not the enemy and business is not the answer to every ptoblem.In fact it is the cause of many problems.Why should your health problems be a windfall to greedy bastards?




THAT RELIGION IS NON SENSE AND HAS NO PLACE OR RIGHT TO MEDDLE IN POLITICS AND REMAIN TAX EXEMPT.I see you are from Virginia, southerners need to stop electing nut jobs.I appreciate your desire to be cooperative, thank you.If the right wants compromise they need to get real not stake out positions on the extreme right and expect. us to meet them half way ending up right of center. Our center needs to move. more. towards international /human center.The US is in decline not the greastest thing. since. sliced bread,but we can do better and will.certainly be among the topcountries in most areas
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I don't know about you personally, but the GOP at large needs to re-evaluate its pledge to Grover Norquist. Your fiscal concerns are well-founded, but we will never resolve them while refusing to consider one side of the balance sheet. Shrinking the government to where you can "drown it in a bathtub"--starving it of revenues to create a fiscal crisis so you can get your way on policy--is not fiscally "conservative" in any meaningful sense of the word.

Spending will need to be cut, yes. But revenues will also need to be increased. Federal receipts are at something like a 60 year low as a percentage of GDP.
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Be prepared to open your wallet and ask your representatives to allow it. The country has spoken and wants social programs. We need to pay for these programs. Playing silly obstructionist political games is counter-productive and hurts our country. No one wants to pay more taxes but the reality is, most can afford to. We have historically low taxes, which have done little to improve our economic strength, and we simultaneously have as a country decided we want to continue down the road of government run social programs. We need to demand our representatives make logical forward moving budgets based on these facts.
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Republicans are still paying for their ill-conceived "social agenda" of 10-15 years ago.
They need to learn they can't legislate morality. Leave that to parents and communities to teach.
You can't legislate morality. Leave that to communities.
In 2016, they need to nominate a candidate who is a fiscal conservative and socially liberal.

Democrats tell everyone we should be environmentally sustainable. They also should consider economic sustainability before it is too late. These programs all sound great, but will the money last? Can we balance the budget while providing the services, or will our kids be stuck with the bills and no services?

Libertarians like me aren't sexy enough. Sex, drugs, and rock & roll sells. Of course, when we insist the Government can't pay for it, we're going to need to donate.
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THAT RELIGION IS NON SENSE AND HAS NO PLACE OR RIGHT TO MEDDLE IN POLITICS AND REMAIN TAX EXEMPT.
Religion, Corporations, and Unions all need to stay out of politics. Leave it to the little people as individuals.

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Be prepared to open your wallet and ask your representatives to allow it. The country has spoken and wants social programs. We need to pay for these programs. Playing silly obstructionist political games is counter-productive and hurts our country. No one wants to pay more taxes but the reality is, most can afford to. We have historically low taxes, which have done little to improve our economic strength, and we simultaneously have as a country decided we want to continue down the road of government run social programs. We need to demand our representatives make logical forward moving budgets based on these facts.
Well said.
We also cannot afford these programs while we're simultaneously running all over the world playing Team America World Police.
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Be prepared to open your wallet and ask your representatives to allow it. The country has spoken and wants social programs....and we simultaneously have as a country decided we want to continue down the road of government run social programs.
Half the country has...they just happen to reside in states with more electorals.
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On a less left to right spectrum we need to get the money out of politics. Neither side of isle is going to back off on un-needed spending to their cash cows until they don't need them to be re-elected. Industrial level monetary waste is the biggest issue with balancing the budget. As long as each politician relies on major industrial backing in order to run a successful campaign those same industries will not be subject to scrutiny in terms of bailouts/regulation/fair taxation etc. Again this is not a left to right issue, but more along the establishment/free thinking spectrum.
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Half the country has...they just happen to reside in states with more electorals.
That's somewhat misleading. Of those states which Obama campaigned heavily, he won nearly all. We vote in an electoral college system, and that is the system both candidates campaigned around. I would be the first to say it's a broken system. Obama still won the popular vote (albeit marginally). Who's to say what would have happened under a popular vote election campaign.
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That's somewhat misleading. Of those states which Obama campaigned heavily, he want nearly all. We vote in an electoral college system, and that is the system both candidates campaigned around. I would be the first to say it's a broken system. Obama still won the popular vote (albeit marginally). Who's to say what would have happened under a popular vote election campaign.
I understand the electoral college system.....

But saying..."the country has spoken and wants social programs...so open up your wallet"....is also a tad misleading.

60.4M voted that they'll accept this
57.6M voted that they won't

Tough road ahead....
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