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Old 01-22-2009   #1
 
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Calling a Time Out

Read article... start your own debates... i thought it was worth sharing... i'm keeping the rest of my opinions to myself.

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Marko,
interesting post. I didn't have time to finish all of it (school is back in session), but the part about closing many of our military bases in sensitive, fairly Anti-American countries, makes pretty good sense to me. Americans wouldn't like Russia or China having bases here in the States, so I'm sure the same logic applies to all of those furreners.
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Marko - in my less-than-humble opinion, there's a lot of truth to what McGovern said. The perfect example of the approach he suggests can be found in the work the Greg Mortenson (author of "Three Cups of Tea" - read it if you haven't already). Mortenson's Central Asia Institute builds schools in Pakistan, and some in Afghanistan, primarily for girls. He works in small villages, using education to counter fundamentalism. And it's working.

Lest one may think this is just a wimpy approach to addressing terrorism, know that Mortenson has lectured at the Air Force, Naval and West Point academies, and he has shared his philosophy of curtailing Islamic extremism through education with such Pentagon brass as Gen. David Petraeus; Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and Adm. EricLarson, SOCOM commander (Special Operations).
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Makes sense to me. Too bad it won't happen. If Obama pulls off that kind of change, I'll take back everything I said about him. But I won't hold my breath.
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Can we make sure he sees this letter? McGovern not only calls for withdrawal but lays out a feasible approach to a solution (one at least as good as continuing this war).

It's this kind of levelheaded approach that if enough people stood behind it- signed petitions, marched, etc.- that could create change. Obama isn't going to cause "change" on his own, the people have to speak up. It's a perfect time, since he seems open to it, to introduce a movement reminiscent of the civil rights and anti-war movements in the 60's and 70's (without violence, free love, or acid) to push Obama to make the changes he promised.
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TakemetotheRiver,
Acid and free love could go a long ways towards solving our problems. If Bin Laden and his cohort tripped a couple times they might learn some things and might mellow out. And who needs 72 virgins when there is free love?
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Who wants 72 virgins? That sounds awful. 72 naughty girls? Exhausting, but wonderful.

We have to help them Ay-rabs get their priorities straight. They need to learn the value of experienced women. Hmmm, this may be the solution to the jihad problem...
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Who wants 72 virgins? That sounds awful. 72 naughty girls? Exhausting, but wonderful.

We have to help them Ay-rabs get their priorities straight. They need to learn the value of experienced women. Hmmm, this may be the solution to the jihad problem...
Steve- there's a book called 1000 White Women- a fictional diary of a young woman who was part of a government experiment to give 1000 white women to an early American Indian tribe (can't remember which one) as a peace offering to help assimilate them. Great book, weird experiment, sad ending. Your post made me think of it. I don't think I'd volunteer.

Demo- I know you were joking, but one of the main reasons the anti-war movement failed was wide spread drug use- they couldn't get organized, nor could they appear legitimate to society at large.
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Steve- there's a book called 1000 White Women- a fictional diary of a young woman who was part of a government experiment to give 1000 white women to an early American Indian tribe (can't remember which one) as a peace offering to help assimilate them. Great book, weird experiment, sad ending. Your post made me think of it. I don't think I'd volunteer.

Demo- I know you were joking, but one of the main reasons the anti-war movement failed was wide spread drug use- they couldn't get organized, nor could they appear legitimate to society at large.
Interesting, my wife read 1000 White Women awhile back. In fact, I saw it a few weeks on one of the bookshelves.

You wouldn't volunteer to save America from Islamofascism? How, uh, smart.

Actually, I'm thinking it might be a viable plot for a very bad porn flick. Of course, it would demand an equally bad soundtrack...
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Let me explain something. The only reason little girls are going to school in Afghanistan is because of the presence of US troops. The only reason young women are going to college in Kabul is because of US troops. The only reason the warlords are not at each others throats is because of the presence of US troops. It is precisely the vacuum of a moral authority, which the United States represents in Afghanistan, which allowed the Taliban to gain control of Afghanistan in the first place.

Is change going to take place overnight? No. Can we control every street and find every guy who wants to throw acid on kids? No. But with brave women like these two, Afghanistan has a chance and McGovern would throw that chance away.


"Idealism is the best realism" Hardly. Retreat as McGovern has suggested and you are looking at another disaster like Somalia. Don't apologize on behalf of US troops, McGovern, and don't use them as an excuse for your half-baked scheme. "Weaken us in the eyes of God"? If Bush or Palin had said that, the Eddy would be abuzz with false indignation.

Does anybody here really agree with this letter? Do you really think that we can send in Christians and Jews to feed kids at school under a Taliban regime? Give me a fucking break.
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