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Old 03-11-2009   #1
 
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America's Healthcare Nightmare

One of the great canards spewed forth by some wealthy members of the right is that healthcare in America is just fine, no need to change it. Well, yeah, for them it's fine. For the rest of us, the system is broken. Some wealthy rightwingers will argue that healthcare decisions should be made by a doctor, not by some "faceless, evil bureaucrat". Guess what? Doctors DON'T make healthcare decisions. They're made by faceless, evil insurance company employees. Three cheers for free market healthcare!

A new poll by Lake Research found that 73% of voters want everyone to have a choice of private health insurance or a public health insurance plan while only 15% want everyone to have private insurance. Sorry wealthy free market worshippers, the majority is going to have it's way, finally.

Sean Hannity, second only to El Rushblow as the voice of the clueless, had an interesting exchange about healthcare on his radio show with analyst Bob Beckel.

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HANNITY: I'm on the Fox Plan and the AFTRA Plan. I have no clue what insurance I have. I don't have a special health care plan! I have the same plan that you do.

BECKEL: No you don't. I don't have a health insurance plan.

HANNITY: You work for FOX, you're on the FOX plan.

BECKEL: I don't qualify for the Fox plan, because I have a pre-existing condition.
** By the way, the AFTRA Plan? That refers to the health benefits that come with being a member of the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, a union. It's a pretty special health care plan for millionaire infotainers. Oh, and Hannity is a UNION MEMBER.

Media Matters - Hannity and Beckel on the Fox health care plan

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what happens when you are to sick to save? even though they are taking your money via taxes to pay for others healthcare. you will not get the treatment you have paid for while jack bob will sit on his ass and get his health issues dealt with first as long as his conditions are worse.

seems like if they are paying taxes which would go to the health care they better not be turned down. but thats impossible with a health care system.
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How could you possibly know how decisions are going to be made under a single-payer system? Answer: you don't. You're simply parroting talking points.

Ask the countless people who are currently denied treatment under the current failed system how it works. Or the countless people who have no insurance because of pre-existing conditions or that they simply cannot afford health insurance. Face it CasperMike, you are in the absolute minority - 15%. Did you read the poll? It's not even close.
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ask the swedish immigrant who had experience with your ideal health system. plus canadians as well. why not go after the health providers and insurance companies if they are denying why change the entire system. your change brings unpredictable consequences. which could be the denial of health care to a tax payer, which he is promised. you don't think the system will be abused? please if there no beds what are you going to do you don't have a choice but to deny the ones unable to be saved first.
i have a serious problem with that since they are wanting to take tax payers money to even the field for less fortunate( or lazy asses). but not going to even the feild for the sick and dying? great. keep moving the wheels of the train to the danger zone.
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CasperMike, your cluelessness is sometimes overwhelming. The system is broken. 73% of Americans know that. No healthcare system will be perfect, but our current one is so flawed, it has to be trashed. I know people from Canada and New Zealand who love their healthcare. They are amazed that a country as advanced as ours is so backward when it comes to meeting the healthcare needs of its people. I agree. Better see if Yarmony needs a cabin boy, because single-payer is coming. There's no doubt.
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doesn't make sense to me.
but i also stuck with the job i had to hold my insurance incase of need. but i don't see how giving it away is solving the problem either.

no matter how you look at they will be flawed. the point is why force your neighbor to pay your medical expenses. what if its from smoking tobacco and they get lung cancer or something like that. why do we pay for their careless choice? becaue thats socialism. no freedom.

how about i take your weed(all of it) and smoke it and blow the hit in your face. fair? don't think so.
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doesn't make sense to me.
but i also stuck with the job i had to hold my insurance incase of need.

how about i take your weed(all of it) and smoke it and blow the hit in your face. fair? don't think do.
Jesus. That could be the worst analogy I have ever read. Really.

Your job provides healthcare coverage. Consider yourself very lucky. You are the exception. Hold onto it until single-payer happens.
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rip. you feel nothing as you "take". you are getting something but its comes at anothers cost. why are you any better or more deserving than where its coming from? because you were promised by the Constittion of the United States. but nowhere in the contitution says your neighbor is responsible for your well being. or someone can be penealized for success for the well being of less succesful individual.

what makes it right. evening the feild.

wrong. i don't beleive in "taking", you do.
do you beleive in taking more land from farmers to give to the native americans?
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rip. you feel nothing as you "take". you are getting something but its comes at anothers cost. why are you any better or more deserving than where its coming from? because you were promised by the Constittion of the United States. but nowhere in the contitution says your neighbor is responsible for your well being. or someone can be penealized for success for the well being of less succesful individual.

what makes it right. evening the feild.
CasperMike, I'm for single-payer healthcare (like 73% of Americans) because it covers EVERYONE. It's not about me, it's about all of us. It's about eliminating denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions. It's about making healthcare affordable for everyone. Right now the desperately poor are covered. Right now the old are covered. Everyone else who is working hard and paying taxes is either paying through the nose for lousy coverage or they cannot afford any coverage.

Seriously, you should PM Yarmony about a cabin boy job. You're good with weapons, and he's going to need all the help he can get as he floats around the world vainly searching for an alternative better than the USA. There's opportunity for you, chase it down!
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EVERYONE isn't POLITICIANS! EVERYONE will not be covered. If your pre-existing condition is calculated, so that you are not as likely as another idividual( which would be a judgement on mankind), you will not be treated! That is not EVERYONE. Why not elliminate the countless number of non-violent marijuana users from our prison system to better utilize the money already available? why don't we exhaust the options available before diggin the hole deeper? better yet legalize and now all the individuals that were in prison could get a job in their feild and enjoy life and guess what thats over double the money already wasted.

the global market. is like car engine. you can fix the starter(america) but if the pistons do not turn. your car is doomed.

"instant gratification" i would look it up and see how it relates to the world as we know it.
one of the reason for the housing market chrunch was the lessening of the restrictions to buy a home whether you could afford it or not by "politicians". one cannot deny that the housing market played part in the current recession.
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