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Old 11-03-2008   #1
 
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Amendment 50 - Gaming Limits & Hours

My guess is most people on this forum will vote no on Amendment 50. It's likely that traffic up Clear Creek Canyon would increase. With extended hours for gambling, my guess is you'll have more cars in the creek too. Problem is that I like to gamble a little bit and higher stakes, craps & roulette sounds kinda fun after a quick paddle. How are you all voting? What are your opinions?

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I plan on voting yes. Ready for a craps table so I can lose more money.
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I voted no, but not because of CC traffic (although it is a nice side benefit). Besides being generally against the process of these barrages of voter initiated constitutional amendments every year, I don't see relaxing gambling laws as beneficial to the community. I don't have any moral qualms with gambling in general, but experience has shown us that many people develop serious gambling addictions that have major deleterious effects on their families/friends and as an extension the community as a whole. My vision of Colorado isn't for it to be a major gambling destination. I'd rather see us think about ways to lead in energy production, financial entrepreneurship (like Denver did in the past), and other more productive means of economic growth and expansion.

I also don't care for the environmental impacts and destruction of undeveloped areas in our mountains that have already occurred and will continue occur as towns like Blackhawk, Central City, and others grow.

Incidentally, I was driving back into Golden via CC canyon late (1am or 2am) Sat night after a Westwater trip and was dumbfounded by the volume of traffic coming down the canyon. It's actually amazing there aren't more accidents there.
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I voted NO for the reasons above and also because I don't like the idea of any sort of education funding being tied to gambling. If the people want education to be funded, for crying out loud, fund it reasonably in the first place on a consistent basis, not with craps table proceeds that'll rise and fall. I don't like the fact community colleges are whoring themselves for the gaming industry by supporting this, but they're desperate for the $$.
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I voted no.

We live very close to Cripple Creek and the gambling industry brought jobs to an otherwise dead town. There hasn't been any real new development beyond the original mining footprint of the town before the big fire that destroyed much of the town in 1896.

Gambling is a tax on the stupid but the numbers of DUIs as a result of the culture make the county roads here unsafe on most Friday and Saturday nights. The lights of Cripple Creek often wash out most of the stars in the sky at night and there is an accompanying background noise from the increased traffic.

I'd be for it if they took it all to the Springs and left the mountains dark and quiet. How about raise the limits, but keep the hours the same? That wasn't an option.
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I voted yes. The Southern Ute Indian tribe has shown that gaming is an incredibly lucrative business, and while I don't necessarily agree that education should be funded through gambling, I do think it should be funded and I haven't heard anyone else offering up the money. Education is the key factor in re-establishing our ability to compete in the world economy, to changing the global view of America that has been built in the last few years, and to hopefully help Americans develop a wider global view.
Having never been to Cripple Creek, I didn't realize that the casino caused traffic and light pollution issues, but education is more important to me.
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I voted no. If they want craps, go to the other casinos in the state where you can play, or fly to Vegas for cheap (from Denver). Also agree with KSC and Andy.

Serious question:

Why do Ute tribal members get to vote on this issue, yet the state can't enforce the state laws in their casinos? Seems like you can't have it both ways. I can respect the tribe as sovereign, but how can you be sovereign and vote to change our state's constitution?
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Having never been to Cripple Creek, I didn't realize that the casino caused traffic and light pollution issues, but education is more important to me.
I think I know the answer to this but does this work the same as the way they sold us a state lottery?

For example; The new money is said to go to eduaction and it does, but the money that was already going into funding education now goes back into the general fund to be spent as the politicains see fit and it's all a wash? I hope this isn't another "shell game" being played that ends up with no net increase in education funding.
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Colorado's lack of investment in education is amazing. However, I think rationalizing this constitutional amendment because it supports education is not valid long term, even if it may help short term. It is like bailing a drug addict out of jail, letting him live in your home, and giving him some cash for food because he's starving; it may just be better to let him hit bottom so he can decide for himself that he's ready to change. I'm with Andy 100% on this one. There's something severely wrong with our governing philosophy when the only way to fund education is to tie it to gambling revenues. This is simply a trick the gambling industry is using to enrich their own coffers.

Anyway, I think we're starting a shift in philosophy that will benefit our education system. For the past decade or more, Colorado and much of the country has bought into the Reagan idea that government is the root of all our problems. Of course the reality is that government was formed for a reason - to solve our problems. Now, like with any system that grows large and gains power, there can be abuses and waste and we must constantly be vigilant to reign in those forces. However, to take the opposite extreme is equally troubling - i.e. that any government regulation, agency, or program will cause problems. A major shift over the past several years in the political ideology of our elected body in Colorado clearly shows people in Colorado are ready to try something different. I think this will be further amplified by a national realization that the infallibility of the free market is a false pretense as people have watched our financial markets collapse largely due to unbridled deregulation.

So I believe there is plenty of hope that people will begin to realize that education is one of the most important investments we can make as a society. Suspensions on portions of TABOR have been a major step along the way. Unfortunately, before we see tangible results, it may require us to finish a disturbing cycle of apathy.
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I do too Theo. It seems that anytime money is slated for education it gets re-routed before it arrives. I guess I'm an optimist though.
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I think I know the answer to this but does this work the same as the way they sold us a state lottery?

For example; The new money is said to go to eduaction and it does, but the money that was already going into funding education now goes back into the general fund to be spent as the politicains see fit and it's all a wash? I hope this isn't another "shell game" being played that ends up with no net increase in education funding.
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