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Old 10-05-2015   #1
 
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Pyranha 9R vs Burn III

What are some of the main differences between the Burn III and 9R? Both boats look sweet and seem to preform outstandingly well, but which would be better when paddling class IV on weekends on my local runs? Also, which boat would fit me better? I am 6'0" and 150 lbs for reference.
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Old 10-06-2015   #2
 
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which size Burn III are you talking about?
I often paddle a Burn III Large, and the standard 9R is significantly tighter than that, but in a good way ( )
On the water -- that thing is fast. I know, no big news. But it really is fast. Like "yeeeehaaaaaaaw" fast. You give up some of the Burn's stability for that, obviously, so don't sit there and idle in the 9R. Also, I find the Burn a lot more predictable, but that depends on where you come from and what kinda boat your prefer.

None of this is news, of course. Most 9R reviews will tell you this. Really, try to demo, it might well have you grinning with exhilaration.
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Have not paddled the Burn but the 9R would be perfect for you. I am 170 and I thought it was super fun but a bit small and tippy for me in Class V. At your weight, and for the intended purpose of class IV, it would be great.
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Old 10-06-2015   #4
 
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I really haven't paddled either, but I have a Burn II and fucking love it. The III looks like it has a little more rocker to it, which would be the only thing I'd ask for in an improved version of my current Burn.
Volume wise, the 9R is the same as a large Burn. The Burn is a couple inches wider, and the 9R is several inches longer... Burn's a little heavier... looks like you'd be at the bottom of the weight range for both, not quite as low in the 9R. Go to their website and check out the specs, try to go somewhere to demo both. Do a little research, read some reviews. I'm sure you'd end up really enjoying either one.
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From looks, the boats are designed for totally different paddling styles. Burn is a carvey river runner. Great stability, but a bit hard to roll. 9R is a sports car; a race boat. Likely easier to roll for it's narrower hull, but less stability and perhaps less boofy. If you are considering a 9R, you might also like the Liquid Logic Brraaap...worth checking out.
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The specs I was lookin at showed a difference of 2" in width between the two. Would that really affect rolling that much?
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which size Burn III are you talking about?
I often paddle a Burn III Large, and the standard 9R is significantly tighter than that, but in a good way ( )
On the water -- that thing is fast. I know, no big news. But it really is fast. Like "yeeeehaaaaaaaw" fast. You give up some of the Burn's stability for that, obviously, so don't sit there and idle in the 9R. Also, I find the Burn a lot more predictable, but that depends on where you come from and what kinda boat your prefer.

None of this is news, of course. Most 9R reviews will tell you this. Really, try to demo, it might well have you grinning with exhilaration.
Probably the Medium Burn? or which ever one would fit me best
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Old 10-07-2015   #8
 
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I have owned both and paddled both. I used the Burn III M all last season in Colorado, before switching to a Shiva and 9R this season. I like the Burn III L a bit better for my size and what I carry. I am 5'11" 145 with no gear on and the weight that my boat REALLY feels with gear (drysuit, helmet, paddle, pfd, rope, shoes, base layers, skirt, pin kit, dry bag, first aid, breakdown, water, etc) is probably closer to 175 give or take. Here is the comparison:

Burn III vs 9R

-Burn has more primary stability, because it is wider.
-9R has less primary stability, it is narrower, but I like this feeling better, also adds speed and quickness edge to edge. It rewards paddlers with good edge control, and holds a line better than any other boat I have paddled. If you lean back, you will get punished, so lean forward and paddle hard!!!
-Both have edges, but Burn is edgier and the edges are beveled compared to the 9R edge which is not beveled, this gives a bit more forgiveness in harder whitewater, but I can feel the edge on the stern of the 9R when I find myself leaning back or out of balance.
-9R forces you to lean forward to keep the boat aggressive, not a boat for beginners or weak paddlers, you want to charge in this boat to maximize.
-Burn does eddy turns way more crisply, and is very snappy into an eddy, 9R also does eddy turns well, but maintains that speed coming into an eddy, so you have to figure out how to manage the speed once you cross the eddy line, and need to peel out with same speed and edging technique.
-9R is way faster, but that is going without saying, the speed comes from the stern length and the tapering of the rocker in the stern.
-9R has much more bow rocker making boofs and staying on top of waves, holes and rocks much easier, I find the "wave deflectors" actually do deflect water away from the face.
-Burn performs better at lower speed and is better for a paddler who does not charge all the time but prefers to stay the same speed as the flow or slower.
-9R performs best when you paddle into a rapid heading straight and fast, moving faster than the current. When traveling faster than the current the 9R is better.
-Both boats surf waves like a dream, but the 9R is a bit faster on a wave, also great for attainments.
-I would take 9R on a multi-day with gear in the back over my Burn, but the Shiva is the king of carrying the heavy load in the stern for multi days.
-Paddled Burn in big water and I prefer it over the 9R, probably because the shorter length of the boat provides less chance of getting spun out when in bit water. 9R is great big water boat, I just prefer the Burn III in big water scenarios.

They are both very high performance boats and make your local run or Class IV way more fun than any other creek boat or river runner because they have edges! I personally like to charge so I prefer the 9R, but this boat isn't going to be the answer for all paddlers. Personally I will paddle my 9R on class IV+ to V- runs but I will always go to the forgiveness of the Shiva for V and V+, mank, and very steep runs with slides like OBJ for example. The 9R is a boat that needs to be paddled fast and aggressively and designed to hit things straight. It does occasionally get pushed around, but it rewards paddlers with good edge technique. For waterfalls, I would prefer the Shiva.

PS: Don't listen to any of this talk about one boat being easier to roll than the other, if you take the time to perfect your roll technique in different situations, and dial in your outfitting the way you should, i.e. hip shims that FIT you, knee block/thigh braces that provide adequate body to boat contact, and ankle blocks to protect your feet and legs in a piton situation, you will be able to roll in most any boat. Pyranhas new outfitting (seat) is amazing and allow for simple adjustments that provide the most efficient body to boat contact and transition of movement. I feel that most boaters who constantly miss rolls is due to the fact that they are not able to roll mentally, they have outfitting which simply has not been properly set up to fit their bodies, and have not taken the time to practice and perfect their roll technique. That however is a whole different topic... PS the 9R is a totally different boat than the braaap, so forget that comparison.
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Old 10-07-2015   #9
 
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Don't forget the true weight that your boat feels when paddling. This includes all of your kayaking gear, that is WET (weighs more) plus anything you carry in your boat (dry bag with supplies, breakdown, water) you do carry those right?

We are the same size, around 6 feet and 150 with no gear on. Add 15 lbs of kayaking gear and in case shit goes down supplies, and you might want to consider the Burn III L
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Don't forget the true weight that your boat feels when paddling. This includes all of your kayaking gear, that is WET (weighs more) plus anything you carry in your boat (dry bag with supplies, breakdown, water) you do carry those right?

We are the same size, around 6 feet and 150 with no gear on. Add 15 lbs of kayaking gear and in case shit goes down supplies, and you might want to consider the Burn III L
I've always wondered about those weight ranges. Are they really setup for fully geared weight, or the weight most people weight themselves as? Either could make sense.
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