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Old 11-16-2011   #1
 
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Paco pads in winter

Was wondering if paco pads provide enough ground insulation for winter use...yea or nay?

Reason I ask, I just bought a 3" pad & tried it out this weekend in sub freezing temps. Had some cold spots on my back - not sure if it's the pad (pvc felt cold), my (new) sleeping bag, or both.

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3" of foam is a good insulator, but it won't mitigate subzero temps.
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I put a fleece blanket in my sleep kit for winter trips and winter nights in the back of my truck or out in the desert. I have a two inch paco, and I've always been cozy. Sometimes it goes over me and my bag, and sometimes I put it underneath, but on top of the paco.
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So far I've used my 3 inch paco in the mid 20 degree range over night and been fine. But then again I also have a zero degree sleeping bag.
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3" of foam is a good insulator, but it won't mitigate subzero temps.
True, and the foam was definitely super comfy! I was just concerned that maybe the pvc material was somehow conducting heat away more than a comparable thermarest. I guess I'll bring along a poncho liner to throw on top/under. thanks!
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I don't think you could find too much better a winter pad than a paco. I use one in my igloo all the time. Unrealistic for mountaineering or backpacking, but it would be as comfortable as you could get.

I've slept on therm-a-rests, cheapie closed cell foam, and inflatable pads in sub-zero temps and found the pad factor to be minimal compared to what warmth of sleeping bag you're in (unless you have no pad - that is significant).

Another factor is the surface the pad is on. Sleeping on snow or a tent floor over snow is much warmer than being on your deck, concrete, or bare ground.
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Exped down air mattresses are the way to go--you can throw it down on the snow and be very warm. I have the down mat, very comfortable with 4" of air and down feathers in a waterproof shell.
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OK, I want one of those! Who is the manufacturer?
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OK, I want one of those! Who is the manufacturer?

Exped, they're out of Switzerland or Germany. Google the name--they have some badass stuff.
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It's the air pockets that insulate, so you want something that will not compress too much. The more whatever you sleep on compresses, the colder it will feel. I wouldn't think there's much available that will prevent you from feeling cold when the ground below you is very cold.

Somebody needs to invent a battery powered paco pad warmer.
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