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Old 09-11-2012   #1
 
Chesapeake Beach, Maryland
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I need help picking a boat.

Hey guys, I am a complete newbie to Whitewater kayaking. I took a whitewater rafting trip on the Cheat river in WV and I fell in love with the whole experience. I have been lurking for a couple of months now and researching on a boat that will fit me best, but I need some help. Where I live, I am only a 5 minute drive from several flatwater bodies, and the chesapeake bay that I want to paddle for a frequent workout. But I want a boat that i can do whitewater up to level 4 and 5 once I am experienced enough to do so. So I have looked heavily into getting a liquidlogic remix XP9, but my question is would getting a crossover boat be less fun on the rapids? and vice versa if I buy a whitewater boat will it be less fun to paddle on casual flatwater for a workout?

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Old 09-11-2012   #2
 
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Boats for flatwater and whitewater are very different. Best to decide which way you want to go first (or get two boats!). Even so-called crossovers are not "one boat does it all." For example, the XP series are based on a whitewater hull and really won't perform nearly as well on a lake as a touring kayak or full on sea kayak.
I started with a 14 foot touring kayak because it was versatile in my neck of the woods -- good for the lakes and river up to say class II. I later bought a more lake-oriented sea kayak (and a more river oriented one)
Confession: I do have an XP10 but I only use it on the river in moving water -- I would not want to lake boat with it for more than just goofing around.
Hear what others have to say.
I would also suggest paddling.net's advice forum if non-whitewater is a way you want to go. The buzz forum is pretty whitewater oriented (which is great if that is the way you want to go).
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Old 09-11-2012   #3
 
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I'll go ahead and throw this out there. I have 6 boats, including a 14' Perception touring kayak, an XP9, a Jefe, and even a SOT. I love all my boats and they all have their benefits and qualities. So I'm comfortable saying the XP9 is a good *compromise*. It's reasonable on a lake (no where near a touring boat, obviously, but still good), and is pretty good on the river. My only complaint is that it's not as responsive as I'd like it to be for WW use. Having said that, I think the XP9 is only rated for Class III, not the IV and V you want. I know there are other crossover boats out there--maybe someone else has some experience with those.
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Old 09-11-2012   #4
 
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Thanks for the advice guys. I guess I should mention that i have done quite a bit of recreational flatwater paddling and it was fun, but not what i am aiming to do. The only reasons I would take my kayak out would be for exercise and wouldn't mind a lack of tracking or speed. The more research the more i want to work up to class 5 rapids and join the local whitewater club. So whitewater is definitely thing i want to do with this kayak. I don't mean to sound like a complete idiot when i ask, but I guess what wanted to ask was if i buy a whitewater boat like a Jefe, or a mamba could i take it on flatwater at all? (even if it didn't work as well as touring or sea kayak?) or would it just be a total catastrophe?
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Old 09-11-2012   #5
 
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Buy a whitewater specific boat!

I take mine on flatwater all the time for workouts, but it's slow and not designed for primarily flatwater paddling. It does float and serves the purpose of a workout though.

The disadvantage to buying a boat not specific for whitewater is that you'll likely never be able to use it on the hard whitewater you are aiming for.

Get a whitewater boat and it will work fine for what you want in flatwater (working out) AND will be on par for the whitewater you are aiming to paddle down the road.

I would look into the Jackson Hero series or Wave Sport Diesel as well.
-Micah Kneidl
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Old 09-11-2012   #6
 
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Buy a whitewater specific boat!

I take mine on flatwater all the time for workouts, but it's slow and not designed for primarily flatwater paddling. It does float and serves the purpose of a workout though.

The disadvantage to buying a boat not specific for whitewater is that you'll likely never be able to use it on the hard whitewater you are aiming for.

Get a whitewater boat and it will work fine for what you want in flatwater (working out) AND will be on par for the whitewater you are aiming to paddle down the road.

I would look into the Jackson Hero series or Wave Sport Diesel as well.
-Micah Kneidl
Thanks, that is exactly what I needed! You guys are awesome.
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Old 09-11-2012   #7
 
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Don't start kayaking. Quit while you still can.
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Regular remix!
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Old 09-11-2012   #9
 
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is buying used a bad idea? I found an '09 Diesel for 600 bucks. good deal?
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Old 09-11-2012   #10
 
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a diesel is an awesome boat for starting up tracks well on flat i think 500 is what you should offer unless there is extras
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