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Old 12-12-2010   #1
 
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groover for self support kayak trip?

OK i'm sorry for not looking this up as i'm sure it's been talked about before...

Any recommendations for a self supported kayak trip groover?
sized for 3-4 people for 3 days.

hey and thanks for the info in advance.

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Old 12-12-2010   #2
 
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Head to your home supply store and grab some PVC pipe. I believe the 4” fits into the RV dump stations. Get the fittings to thread both ends and glue it together. If you want to get fancy, get the fittings and plugs to attach one end to a garden hose.

To use, put your “deposits” onto a paper towel or coffee filter and drop into your PVC receptacle.

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Old 12-12-2010   #3
 
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Forget the hardware store, just head to your local boating shop and get a few Wag Bags. They're a whole lot easier to deal with.

Check the MB Partners Directory, see which shops are near you, and click through to their websites. In Denver I'm not sure if Confluence Kayaks has them but know for sure Downriver Equipment carries a similar type of portable toilet system that works well and would be real easy to pack out in a kayak.

For your group size you could probably do one per day and each paddler could carry one out (spread the goods around, ya know...).

Have a good trip!

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what river are you doing? if it is permited they may not accept just wag bags. for any utah river you have to have container that can reseal and is washable.
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A 1gal paint can works well if you can fit it in your boat.
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Old 12-13-2010   #6
 
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I use an old plastic food container with screw on lid. Specifically an old protein powder jar. Can fit wag bags and some tp in it. Westwater ranger accepts it.. resealable, etc....
It fits fine, I dont worry about it breaking, basically the same size as the pvc option above, but molded pe with screw on top... designed to keep contents.. 'Fresh" !

as for size etc... depends what size food jar you use... what ever you figure is a good size for 3 user days... each take one, and throw one more in for good measure
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Some locations won't even allow you to bring WAG bags, even if you've got a reusable container. The worry is that you'll get to the takeout, and dump the wag bags into the dumpster, which then goes into the local landfill which may or may not be approved for human waste. Many different things (including paint cans, food jars, etc) may be allowed, depending on the ranger you get, but the PVC tubes are pretty well universally accepted- perhaps because of bigwallers in Yosemite, Zion, etc paving the way with the NPS.

I would avoid used polyethylene food containers, because I've seen how easily the lids (on most of them) break. Working in a deli, we went through tons of these things, and while the jars themselves are awesome, the lids are brittle.

I would also avoid WAG bags unless you put them inside another container- I've seen these things get poked and tear open on the river- definitely not easier to deal with when that happens.

Paint can sounds like a good idea. Do you just use a rock to reseal it? Does this cause denting, and thus, a loss structural integrity?

I'd stick with the PVC tube. Poop on a double layer of paper towel, fold up your present, and put it in the tube. At the end of the trip, empty the whole thing right out into the pit toilets. Our latest one was 4" PVC, ~16" long, and served 2 for a 6 day trip with room to spare.

Happy Grooving!
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I've used a 1 gallon large mouth container with wag bags and reinforced with ductape. I think the PVC option would be more bomber, but wag bags would be nice to throw it inside there...keeps a little cleaner, but you do run into the aforementioned problems based on the permit area. Happy pooping.
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Interesting to hear what denali's got to say - I've had Westwater rangers send me on the river with Wag Bags for a group, and last season the BLM was passing them out on Pumphouse for a promo. Yes, it would be a good idea to contain them in something safer than just the bag.
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Let's face it... The days of kayak overnighting are over. Any run you can't do in a day isn't worth doing (or you're just a wuss). What's the point of kayaking anyway if you can't gloat about it in the bar every night?

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