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Old 08-23-2010   #1
 
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Dinosaur Fire Pan?

I am getting some contradictory reports about fire pans in Dinosaur N.P. I have a permit for Gates of Lodore. The two stories that I have heard are:

1. Oil change pans are OK, use rocks to prop them off the ground. Easy, but not strictly in compliance by the rules, my oil pan is 225 sq in, not the 250 sq in that the rules call for. You may be depending on the ranger being not too strict, and I hate to count on things like that.

2. You should get a real fire pan, with legs.

As a canoeist, the huge fire pans carried on rafts are not realistic. There is a Partner Steel Mini Fire Pan available, telescopes to make it smaller. I would still need to make legs for it, although the ad for it suggests rocks to keep it off the ground.

I am not too concerned about the fire blankets, I have some welding blankets that should do.

I searched the forums, and found very little on this topic, mostly discussions about groovers.

Thanks in advance,
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I bet these guys can make you one that would fit perfect in your canoe and meet regs... May be able to barter down the price a bit too
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What did they say when you called them?
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The problem is that when I called the Dinosaur River office they suggested renting a standard fire pan. When my buddy called a couple of weeks before he was told not to worry, they weren't that strict, use rocks to get it off the ground.

So that is the contradictory information......

Yes, I could make my own fire pan, but I would rather not.

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I can tell you that when I went they weren't that strict. we did use the oil pan and they even let us use a coleman porta-potty instead of an eco. that was before the fire blanket req though. I know there's been a lot of differing stories on this board about Lodore. they were thorough with us but didn't have any issues with our less than standard gear at the time. I would think with a canoe trip and just telling them you don't plan on using it should be ok. good luck.
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You could build something like this!
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Clever Fire Pan

Pretty clever, NGeoym. Very compact, two piece pan, good legs, even includes a grille. What gauge did you use for the pan itself? I am going to guess 14ga or 16ga. I notice that the commercial mini fire pan was 14 ga.

I did get a private email that indicated that the oil pan with rocks should be OK, so I may just go that route for this trip

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It's 14ga. After reading what you wrote I don't know if it is big enough either. At 12*15 assembled its only 180 inches^2, you said 250. I know it works on the San Juan though, as we used it there.
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According to the 2010 Boating Requirements:


  • "Fire pans must be elevated a minimum of 4 inches off the ground. Fire pans must be a minimum size of 250 square inches with at least a 3-inch rim.
  • A fireproof tarp or blanket must be carried and placed under the fire pan. It must be of sufficient size to catch coals and ashes around the fire pan. Kayaks or canoes without raft support may substitute a gas stove."
If you are in doubt, call the river office (take note of who you spoke with/ date/time, etc.). A good faith effort on your part will go a long way with the rangers.



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