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Old 09-05-2009   #1
 
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Boat advice, please

Hi All,

I'm new here and fairly new to river kayaking, so please be gentle if it's obvious!

I have a question related to a boat choice:

I like to run a nearby river that has Class 2-4 rapids, mostly 2 and 3. I've run it several times in my inflatable and had no trouble, and I've run it a couple times in my hardshell and had no trouble, either.

Problems: The inflatable is developing some leaks and I am wondering about its long-term durability. The hardshell is heavy-- 50 lbs.-- and long, and I don't relish the idea of carrying it up to a mile back to the car when the river levels are too high and strong for me to paddle or carry back through the rapids.

I am considering getting something lighter and smaller, but I do not want (or need) a true whitewater kayak, and don't want to spend that money, either. One choice is an entry-level Dagger Zydeco that would probably be fine on the Class 3 here. The other is a sit-on-top that would be good for the ocean, too. But I'm a little leery of being on a sit-on-top through Class 3 rapids.

Questions: So how bad an idea is the sit-on-top? Anyone used one under similar conditions? Results?

Thanks for any helpful advice!

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Dude, you live in Oak Hill. Oak Fucking Hill. Get a kayak, take some classes, and enjoy the amazing rivers in your back yard!
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You can get a used kayak (the real deal) for probably close to the same amount of money you are looking at spending on a silly sit-on-top. There is always somebody looking to get out or move up and you really should start with a used boat anyway. When I first started kayaking I bought an older playboat with a spray skirt that was all perfect for me and I spent $300. Get a kayak.
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Old 09-09-2009   #5
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.... but I do not want (or need) a true whitewater kayak,.....
That's blasphemy.

OK seriously you might want to talk with the folks at Appomattox River Company Canoe and Kayak Superstore, The Appomattox River Company You can also make them an offer at their Ebay store.

They carry both of what you are considering, but give very serious consideration to a whitewater boat.
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Hi All,


Problems: The inflatable is developing some leaks and I am wondering about its long-term durability. The hardshell is heavy-- 50 lbs.-- and long, and I don't relish the idea of carrying it up to a mile back to the car when the river levels are too high and strong for me to paddle or carry back through the rapids.

Questions: So how bad an idea is the sit-on-top? Anyone used one under similar conditions? Results?

Thanks for any helpful advice!
I'm not a sit-inside kayak person, so my thoughts may well be blasphemy! I recently tried a SOT Torrent in Class III -- I think you would probably be fine in Class III with it -- especially if you know when/how to lean and brace -- you did say you were fine in a "hardshell" but I'm not sure what that means because you also said you didn't necessarily want a whitewater boat -- are you talking about a rec kayak? Anyway, the Torrent is not light (maybe 45 pounds) and carrying it a mile is not something I would want to do, so that might rule it out for you. I have also rented an Ocean Kayak's Yahoo that performed well, but it is also on the heavy side, and not made anymore. I don't know if there are other WW SOT's that might be lighter.
I've been using an Aire Lynx Solo IK (I use thigh straps) in class III and it rocks. I'm not sure what kind of IK you have that is getting leaky, but good IK's are pretty darn durable (10 year warranty on Aire's) (and patchable) -- and, biggest point in this context -- light to carry!! -- my solo boat anyway.
Of course, if you want to go the sit-inside route and learn to roll, that's great as others have said, but just know that there are other options that fit the bill of being light and Class III/IV worthy. The NRS Maverick IK is especially light.
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Old 09-11-2009   #7
 
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I'm a newbie too, started this summer and am totally hooked on the sport. Get a ww kayak, and enjoy the river. you won't regret it. It's the perfect time, and since you are in VA, you might be able to get a demoed boat cheap. Sorry if I was out of turn being a newbie, but I absolutely love this sport. There is nothing better, IMO. Thanks

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Hi All,

I'm new here and fairly new to river kayaking, so please be gentle if it's obvious!

I have a question related to a boat choice:

I like to run a nearby river that has Class 2-4 rapids, mostly 2 and 3. I've run it several times in my inflatable and had no trouble, and I've run it a couple times in my hardshell and had no trouble, either.

Problems: The inflatable is developing some leaks and I am wondering about its long-term durability. The hardshell is heavy-- 50 lbs.-- and long, and I don't relish the idea of carrying it up to a mile back to the car when the river levels are too high and strong for me to paddle or carry back through the rapids.

I am considering getting something lighter and smaller, but I do not want (or need) a true whitewater kayak, and don't want to spend that money, either. One choice is an entry-level Dagger Zydeco that would probably be fine on the Class 3 here. The other is a sit-on-top that would be good for the ocean, too. But I'm a little leery of being on a sit-on-top through Class 3 rapids.

Questions: So how bad an idea is the sit-on-top? Anyone used one under similar conditions? Results?

Thanks for any helpful advice!
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