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Old 08-25-2010   #1
 
Pagosa Springs, Colorado
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1st gear swap...advice?

hi there,
i was just wondering if anyone could give me some advice to keep in mind when shopping for a play boat on a budget. i started paddling a couple of months ago with an older play boat, circa 1998. and i would love to start next season with something more modern and maneuverable.
i have in mind something playful that i could also survive some bigger river runs in (probably get something like a star as a second boat later on but not yet )
i started reading some reviews for the g-ride, the king pin etc. i like that the g-ride can handle bigger rivers but would i necessarily lose that to something a little more playful like a king pin ?
and what size? as a taller female at 5'10" and 155lbs i'm having trouble figuring sizing on some older boats via internet research...
what about older wavesport or pyranha boats that i might come across at a gear swap?
thanks to anyone that took the time to read all of this, i would appreciate hearing your thoughts while i read internet reviews. i'm heading out to the golden river sports swap this weekend and if i don't find anything i'll be doing some serious craigslist hunting this winter!

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Old 08-25-2010   #2
 
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I think you would love the g-ride 6.2. My wife paddles one and wouldn't trade it for the world.
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Old 08-27-2010   #3
 
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You mention play boat, modern and maneuverable, playful, and survive some bigger river runs.

If you want to do intentional vertical play moves (cartwheels, bow stalls), especially on flatwater or in small features, I would suggest for your 155lb, 5'10" looking at playboats 24 to 25 inches wide, 50 gallons or less, under 7 feet long (under 6'6" if you want to do loops), and with you near or just over the top end of the suggested weight range. However, being at or just over the top end of the suggested weight range in a playboat does not go well for many paddlers if they want to use that boat to "survive some bigger river runs."

If intentional vertical moves are not what you hanker to learn, then larger voume playboats (especially free runners rather than oriented mostly for park and play) with you not at the weight top end and modern river runners can all provide you with something playful (defined as fun surfing including back surfing and spinning and as manuevering through rapids with fun eddy catching). Depending on your skills, such boats should be quite maneuverable while allowing you to "survive some bigger river runs."

In hopes of helping with whatever boats you might see used, I'll list a batch of playboats and river runners with what I have for specs info. Keep in mind that how well you physically fit in a boat is of huge importance to your comfort and your boat control. That physical fit includes the trim of the boat; if your weight has to be too far back for your feet to fit (seat location), the boat will not handle well.

For a playboat for intentional vertical moves, I suggest 25 or 24 inches wide, 50 gallons or less, under 7 ft, middle to near top end of recommended weight range.

Specs from playak.com, not all are accurate – suggest you check company websites or eddyflower or other confirmatory site for specs for any you are actually interested in

Bliss-stick Specialist 5’9” - 5’9” long, 26” wide, 46gal volume, “small to mid range paddler”

Dagger Agent 6.0 - 6’ long, 23.2” wide, 42gal volume, 79-143lb paddler
Dagger Agent 6.2 - 6’2”, 24.8”, 50gal, 123-192lb
Dagger Crazy 88 - 6.2 6’2”, 24.8”, 48gal, 134-174lb
Dagger G-ride 6.2 - 6’2”, 22.2”, 54gal, 90-174lb
Dagger Kingpin 6.1 - 6’2”, 24.4”, 49gal, 79-150lb
Dagger Kingpin 6.2 - 6’2”, 24.8”, 50gal, 99-179lb
Dagger Kingpin Icon 6.2 - 6’2”, 25.6”, 50gal, 88-191lb
Dagger RX 6.7 - 6’7”, 25.6”, 52gal, 119-190lb

Fluid Flirt Small - 6’, 24.4”, 45gal, 99-165lb
Fluid Nemesis Small - 5’11”, 23.6”, 44gal, 99-154lb

Jackson All-Star - 6’2”, 25”, 51gal, 130-181lb
Jackson AllStar 2007 - 6’, 25.2”, 52gal, 130-181lb
Jackson 3 Fun - 6’6”, 25.2”, 51gal, 119-181lb
Jackson 2Fun 2007 - 6’2”, 24”, 47gal, 99-165lb
Jackson Star - 5’8”, 24”, 44gal, 110-165lb
Jackson Star 2007 - 5’9”, 24”, 44gal, 110-165lb
Jackson 2Fun 2010 - 6’2” long, 24.5” wide, 48.5gal, 30-32lb, 110-155lb paddler (2 different plastic options)
Jackson 2Fun 2009 - 6’2” long, 24” wide, 46gal, 27lb, 99-145lb paddler
Jackson Fun 2009 - 6’8” long, 25” wide, 51gal, 29lb, 140-180lb paddler

Liquid Logic CR80 - 6’5”, 24.4”, 56gal (?), 88-165lb
Liquid Logic Ronin - 49 6’1”, 24”, 49gal, 130-181lb
Liquid Logic Scooter - 5’11”, 24.4”, 50gal, 99-161lb
Liquid Logic Vision 44 - 6’1”, 24.4”, 44gal, 110-170lb

Necky Chronic - 6’6”, 24.4”, 47gal, 141-190lb
Necky Orbit Fish - 6’6”, 24”, 51gal, 143-198lb

Pyrannha 4 Twenty S/M - 6’1”, 25.2”, 46gal, 88-165lb
Pyrannha s6f 191 - 6’2”, 25.2”, 41gal, 88-154lb
Pyrannha s6x 185 - 6’1”, 24.4”, 42gal, 88-154lb
Pyrannha Seven O S - 7’, 22.8”, 48gal, 110-165lb
Pyrannha Recoil Small - 6’6” long, 24” wide, 45.5gal, 30.8lb, 88-155lb paddler

Riot Air 45 - 6’, 24.4”, 45gal, 90-161lb
Riot Flair 47 - 6’2”, 24.4”, 47gal, 119-170lb
Riot Orbit 47 - 6’2”, 25”, 47gal, 90-170lb
Riot Turbo 47 - 6’8”, 24”, 47gal, 90-170lb

Wavesport Ace 4.7 - 7’1”, 25”, 47gal, 88-165lb
Wavesport EZG 50 - 6’7”, 25.2”, 50gal, 130-190lb
Wavesport Project 52 - 6’1”, 25.2”, 52gal, 130-190lb
Wavesport ZG 48 - 6’4”, 24.4”, 48gal, 99-181lb
Wavesport Fuse 48 - 6’4” long, 24.5” wide, 12.5” deck height, 48gal, 31lb, 100-160lb paddler


For a responsive river runner, I suggest 24 to 25 inches wide, 50 to 65 gallons, 7 to 9 ft, middle to near top of recommended weight range (bottom to middle of suggested weight range if you want to haul gear and do overnights).

Dagger Mamba 7.5 - 7’7” long, 25.5” wide, 13.5” deck height, 57gal, 43lb boat weight, 120-170lb paddler

Fluid Detox Small - 7’1” long, 24.5” wide, 52gal, 39lb boat weight, 110-190lb paddler

Jackson Little Hero - 7’1” long, 24” wide, 14” deck height, 64gal, 38-40lb boat weight, 90-150lb paddler (2 different plastic options as of 2010)
Jackson Villain S - 8’2” long, 25.5” wide, 14,5 deck height, 79.5 gal, 45-47lb boat weight, 100-180lb paddler (2 different plastic options)

Liquid Logic Remix 59 - 8’5” long, 25” wide, 59gal, 31lb boat weight, 110-200lb paddler

Pyranha Ammo Small - 6’9” long, 25 wide, 57.6gal, 35lb boat weight, 100-170lb paddler

Wavesport Diesel 60 - 7’4” long, 25” wide, 60gal, 38lb boat weight, 60-130lb paddler
Wavesport Diesel 65 – 7’6” long, 25”wide, 65gal, 39lb boat weight, 100-200lb paddler
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Old 08-27-2010   #4
 
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lots of used wavesport projects 52 out there.. comfy... and perfect size for you. the boat can handle bigger water if you want it to.. but its not a mamba but it is a great playboat
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Old 08-27-2010   #5
 
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@ nlove thanks for the advice! my friend also has a g ride and has such ease with boat control it got me looking into daggers. reassuring to know how much your wife enjoys it

@ weldernot wow! the information is much appreciated and very helpful to me as an overwhelmed beginner on a tight budget. i think you've helpled me figure out that i can try for the best of both worlds to start out with, but as i test the waters so to speak, i might wind up getting a 2nd boat thats more river friendly if i really start to paddle some bigger river waters later on. i'm sure glad i read this before i head out the gear swap this afternoon!

@ caspermike, will definitely try to sit in a 52! thanks!
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Old 08-27-2010   #6
 
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you should beable to get into a used boat for 250 easy. used boats should never be more than 400. watch price gouging assholes.. main reason is because they void warranty.. soo you buy a boat and sell it.. its lost value
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Old 08-27-2010   #7
 
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EZG 50 for sale

I have a Wavesport EZG 50 for sale that would be the right size for you. Its posted in the classifieds. I would be willing to deal a bit on it as well!

Wavesport EZG 50 - Mountain Buzz Gear Swap
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Old 09-02-2010   #8
 
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thanks a ton for all the great advice! i ended up with a kingpin icon 6.2 and am having a great time trying to keep such a tiny boat stable, lol!
thatcher, i know some people that might be looking for a boat soon, i'll send them your ad....what's the diff between an ez and and esg?
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Old 09-02-2010   #9
 
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The ez is an older boat I believe. The ezg is a similar boat but new within the last few years.

Here is the eddy flower info for the EZG
Wave Sport EZG 50

and here is the info for the EZ

Wave Sport EZ
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Old 09-03-2010   #10
 
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Liquid Logic Remix 59 - 8’5” long, 25” wide, 59gal, 31lb boat weight, 110-200lb paddler
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