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Old 03-15-2014   #1
 
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River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue

Why is river access and river usage an issue, and what can you do to help solve it? This blog starts the discussion, feel free to join in! This is the main reason why NOR (National Organization for Rivers) exists.
Why are public rights on rivers an issue? - National Organization for Rivers

Cheers!

Also, we have a question for you:

To what degree does the NOR website answer your river law and access questions?

A. Completely
B. Mostly
C. Partially
D. Not really (please share with us how we can change it for the better!)

Thanks for your feedback!
Rivers shall be "forever free."

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Old 03-15-2014   #2
 
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I don't have time to explain all of the issues on the Ark to you, but this will give you information:

https://www.mountainbuzz.com/forums/f...ark-51656.html

https://www.mountainbuzz.com/forums/f...ons-51482.html

https://www.mountainbuzz.com/forums/f...ses-46473.html
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Old 03-15-2014   #3
 
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Why is river access and usage important????

Because if we don't protect them, we will end up with some bullshit like prior appropriations. Nothing like watching a "senior" water user irrigate acres of open lawn while a "junior" sits, hopes, and prays for an opportunity to have some sort of water right. Scary scary stuff! We need to put all attention to water protection and its use. Also, without access protection we are all screwed (unless we are million/billionaires and own the land adjacent to the rivers and spend one week a year there)

Great subject. I'm looking forward to this.


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Old 03-17-2014   #4
 
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All it is a few anecdotes and then a plug for NOR. There is nothing substantial in the link.
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Catwoman, the plug is to make a difference for your river access and usage rights, by understanding what they are and asserting for them to be honored (on thousands of miles of rivers where they are being ignored). Making that happen is what's most important, not who/how it happens. Many river users believe they must litigate in order to "re-establish" their rights, which is mistaken in most cases. Federal law has consistently supported rights to boat and walk along the bank of rivers that are big enough to kayak down...so you and I can go make that happen in practice. Now. In most cases, we don't need to wait for years of litigation or something else to happen. Our rights exist but are being ignored.

So, the plug: Know your rights and put them into practice, however that happens.

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Old 03-19-2014   #6
 
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mods, honest and serious question....why is this guy still allowed to post here still? seriously. call someone a d-bag on the buzz and you get it zapped in a second. advertise fake passports.... gone. but claim a bullshit NPO and take unsuspecting, well intentioned river runners money is apparently just fine though? do you guys just not get that it's illegal and fraud or something?

the dude has had months to straighten his shit out,well into a new calendar year and it's still a BS operation as it's been for 14 plus years now.
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mods, honest and serious question....why is this guy allowed to post here still? seriously. call someone a d-bag on the buzz and you get it zapped in a second. but claim a bullshit NPO and take unsuspecting, well intentioned river runners money is apparently just fine though? do you guys just not get that it's illegal and fraud or something?

the dude has had months to straighten his shit out,well into a new calendar year and it's still a BS operation as it's been for 14 plus years now.
Nothing you've said is correct. I'm a gal, name is Vanessa. It's been 36 years, not 14. Everything we have is based on existing law...nothing is "illegal" about educating people about existing law.

You're quiet adversarial, and you can have the liberty to have your opinion. Respectfully agree to disagree with you. I'll be engaging in respectful and on-topic discussions here.
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Nothing you've said is correct. I'm a gal, name is Vanessa. It's been 36 years, not 14. Everything we have is based on existing law...nothing is "illegal" about educating people about existing law.

You're quiet adversarial, and you can have the liberty to have your opinion. Respectfully agree to disagree with you. I'll be engaging in respectful and on-topic discussions here.
"vanessa".... here you go, cupcake. buy a fucking clue....





does that mean anything to you, dipshit?

or that you claim to be a NPO but STILL aren't on the list of approved NPO's by the IRS?
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"vanessa".... here you go, cupcake. buy a fucking clue....





does that mean anything to you, dipshit?

or that you claim to be a NPO but STILL aren't on the list of approved NPO's by the IRS?
Respectfully and on-topic, do you have anything legitimate to discuss about river access and usage rights?
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Ok so a name to put with the postings. That's good. Like it or not the river community is rightfully skeptical of some of the big claims laid down last year by NOR and the continued referral to 'purchase the book' and it will all be clear.

While your heart may be in the right spot NOR as an organization and this 'alias' seem to be less than forthright. That is the perception. The good news is you can change that. Show that your legal status is current and is a true 503. How about a list of your board of directors? Who you are? Or who the office staff is? Again the website has precious little in the 'about' to inspire confidence.

AWA has a list of professional staff, board and IRS status. They are legit. Show us you are and you will engender a lot more support and interest.
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