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Anyone else ever participate in a USFS Comprehensive River Management Plan?

Flathead National Forest has a draft CRMP out now for the 3 Forks of the Flathead.


Interested to know if any of you have successfully submitted comments on your home rivers...what worked, what didn't work?



Our rivers are pristine and beautiful, but use is growing exponentially. Regulations were last rewritten in 1983 and don't reflect current Leave No Trace ethics. We're headed for a trainwreck if they aren't rewritten, and it could sound like your horror stories of the Upper C...or with some good regulations (and enforcement), we may be dealing with permits, but great experiences like we've all had on the Salmon rivers.


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river use allocation

I spent three years going to meetings and advocating for the private boaters during the "Snake river plan" in Jackson Hole. There was very little participation from the public but a few of us were able to aggressively make our points.
Our big concern was that outfitters had overwhelmed the Wilson ramp that accesses an easy scenic section that is only a short distance from town. With no rules, capacity restrictions, or oversight, things were heading south in a huge hurry. Greed was the motivating factor for many of the outfitters and they were fighting each other over how many boats they were going to get.
Eventually our county commissioners hired Doug Whittaker and Bo Shelby consultants and authors of "allocating river use: A review of approaches and existing systems".
These guys know rivers! They were extremely helpful and brought an amazing amount of expertise to the table.
I suggest you get a copy of their book, read it, and pass it around to the powers that be. That should give you a baseline knowledge of how these things can work. Bo and Doug, of Confluence research and consulting can be contacted @ Confluence.
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Sorry.. They can be contacted @ www.confluence-reasearch.com.
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Have you reached out to American Whitewater or other river access and advocacy groups? Also, it may be worthwhile to reach out to the outfitter community to consider a collaborative approach as there may be win-win solutions for private and commercials. If you can present a united front it could be much better than if the agency thinks they're working with a bunch of squabbling factions.

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I spent three years going to meetings and advocating for the private boaters during the "Snake river plan" in Jackson Hole. There was very little participation from the public but a few of us were able to aggressively make our points.
Our big concern was that outfitters had overwhelmed the Wilson ramp that accesses an easy scenic section that is only a short distance from town. With no rules, capacity restrictions, or oversight, things were heading south in a huge hurry. Greed was the motivating factor for many of the outfitters and they were fighting each other over how many boats they were going to get.
Eventually our county commissioners hired Doug Whittaker and Bo Shelby consultants and authors of "allocating river use: A review of approaches and existing systems".
These guys know rivers! They were extremely helpful and brought an amazing amount of expertise to the table.
I suggest you get a copy of their book, read it, and pass it around to the powers that be. That should give you a baseline knowledge of how these things can work. Bo and Doug, of Confluence research and consulting can be contacted @ Confluence.

Thank you malmsmith, will do.


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Have you reached out to American Whitewater or other river access and advocacy groups?

No, but will. John Gangemi is local.


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Also, it may be worthwhile to reach out to the outfitter community to consider a collaborative approach as there may be win-win solutions for private and commercials. If you can present a united front it could be much better than if the agency thinks they're working with a bunch of squabbling factions.

-AH
Duh. Fantastic solution. I did trail work 15+ years ago and was told the same thing--collaboration between independent groups goes a LONG way.
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