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Old 05-06-2004   #1
 
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What's a good first level for Vallecito? Is it a step up from runs like the Embudo or Lime?

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Jimbo,

I would say it is a step up. One big difference is that you are committed to the gorge, although it is short. The canyon walls are steep and narrow leaving few routes to exit the gorge before the takeout. All the rapids are significant, yet fairly straight forward. Hope this helps,

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1.9-2.0 is the best first time level for Vallecito. So this weekend should be good.
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Kyle,

What is Embudo like at 360 cfs?

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Ben, I don't know what the cfs conversion is, but if you click on the gauge next to Embudo (on phateye) it will bring up a gauge in feet.

I ran it for my first time last week at 2.7ish. It was bony. My understanding is that at 3.0 it is about the best combination of rock and water for a manageable run. The run reminded me of South Saint Vrain in difficulty, but you are walled in and scout less because of it.

I have trouble ranking the difficulty, but I've been told that at 3.2 it starts to get pretty full-on, and generally only expert Class V-V+ boaters go for it. Above that it's every man for himself, and runs have been completed in 45 minutes.

I hope someone else can comment on the difficulty, but my guess is that if it looks like it will hit 3.2 or higher than to be very weary. At any water level a guide is highly reccomended.
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Thanks. What are you hitting this weekend?
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So are the moves on Vallecito much more difficult than the Embudo or is it just that you are in a canyon and obviously would be nasty to have problems becasue you can't get out?

The Embudo is quite a step up from 2.7 to 3.5 ish range and Kyle is right about it being every man for himself with little or no scouting.
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