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Old 11-13-2005   #1
 
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Soap box time.....

"In reference to several replies to some of my posts"


Not everyone that comes to this site is a class "hardcore" boater like some of the regulars and don't know everything there is about kayaking.

All of the shops I have been in refer this site to their customers as a reference source for information and that includes the new boaters too, which in turn helps out the business by supporting the advertisers on this site which in turn helps out you the class "hardcore" boaters by supporting the boat manufacturers and gives them the money to design those new "hardcore" boats that you will post about over and over again.

The business of kayaking relies on the new/advancing boater and they need to be welcomed and given as much information as possiable to keep them safe and returning to the sport, with their friends so your local shop can stay open so that class "hardcore" boat and video's some of you enjoy can afford to be made.

Weather you like it or not the recreation/lifestyle of kayaking is going to move away from the "Sport" and the Mountain Dew Gen X'er Hucking them self off of the highest waterfall, toward the family.
Just look at the Jackson way of marketing and the line of boats for the family.
It is a sign of the times and will be good for the sport/lifestyle. With these changes will come better playparks to be also used as places for new/advancing boaters to gain the skills needed for bigger water/harder skills/tricks as long as they are not driven out of the water by the feel of the Pro Bro Local vibe.
Time and time again have I seen and heard it while paddling at Golden, "New boaters in the way/I don't want to be in the way of the good boaters".

Everyone will benifit form these changes, the sooner they come the better.
For the Shops, the Manufacturers of gear, the porn/training video makers and you.......

Don't get me wrong I wait for the next LVM and No Clean Lines video like others do, and one day hope to be as good as some of you out there to huck at least a 20 footer.

Sorry if you don't like what I have to say.

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hey man, great post! i feel the same way. ive been scouting a whole bunch of new runs this season and about 80% of them i dont think anyone will ever pay attention to because its like a III-IV run. if its not the ultra insane class VI death gorge with the 80 ft falls and three boulder choked death rapids then nobody seems interested any more. you take those runs and have a good time, ill get there someday, but for now, im down to just boat this new stretch i found by myself.
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Yeti, you find some sweet new III/IV runs and I'm down. Sometimes it's nice to just float down some easy stuff with great scenery. The more remote, the better.
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"In reference to several replies to some of my posts"

Sorry if you don't like what I have to say.
Like what you had to say about what?? Why the vagueness? What are you talking about? Do you think that someone here is against intermediate/beginner boat designs or boaters?

If you have an example of someone mistreating you do to your skills, I guess you could complain about it here. As it is, it sounds like you're just trolling (or whining?) with this passive/agressive attitude and absolutely no reference to an actual grievance. Ah, I should have known better than to read this with your post title...
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Re: Soap box time.....

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Weather you like it or not the recreation/lifestyle of kayaking is going to move away from the "Sport" and the Mountain Dew Gen X'er Hucking them self off of the highest waterfall, toward the family. Just look at the Jackson way of marketing and the line of boats for the family. It is a sign of the times and will be good for the sport/lifestyle.
The kayaking demographic revolution has already happened -- it's called rec boats. Whitewater boomed alright, but ask a sample of folks in the industry nationwide and they will tell you where more customers and better margins are - rec boats. Rec was nothing 15 years ago and exploded WAY more than whitewater. Be thankful it was that way or the eddy would be a lot more crowded. Jackson may try to sell to a family demographic, but I very seriously doubt he's going to create a market. Families usually equal husband, wife and kids. We all know how many women boat vis-a-vis men. Jackson can't change the market - I predict the proof of this will be that EJ won't change the kids playboat designs nearly as often as the full-size models because they still need to pay off the molds. Time will tell...but, with boat designs and safety gear and techniques still gradually getting better, I promise you - in whitewater the bar will continue to be raised.
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Time and time again have I seen and heard it while paddling at Golden, "New boaters in the way/I don't want to be in the way of the good boaters".
I don't seen how it matters - is any sport -- or anything in life any different? Who cares? Go boating. Or not. Just do it for yourself. You are highlighting a problem of low self-esteem, not a problem with the sport. I (and plenty of other folks here) could tell you a lot of stories of paddling/shuttling/eating & drinking with amazing and sometimes famous boaters. Guess what? They are almost all cool folks. If someone is an idiot, why waste your time focusing on that? Peel out and have fun.
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Sorry if you don't like what I have to say.
I have refrained from commenting on your other posts like this, but dude - give me a break. Stop making yourself out to be a martyr. Stop pretending the Buzz collectively hates newbies. It's ridiculous. Cool that you want to spread a good word, but learn to take a joke - Slim Ray is older than dirt as far as whitewater is concerned and his name is well known. Why care about Mtn Dew types? If you don't want to do that kind of boating, then do the kind you like instead. Let me be really clear about this - no one really cares about the kind of boating you do or don't do. But you seem to. Hate to say it, but the reason you have been met with flames in the past is because you asked for it, plain and simple. Give up the chip on your shoulder and no one who matters will ever care if you can even put your own skirt on.
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BastardSon- Ive got a few good ones in mind that i want to try. The 3-Upper Taylor is one of them. Two sections, the first is some mast but easy III-IV, and the lower is some III+ action. Nothing difficult, but fuckin incredible scenery and a fun time will be guaranteed.
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Didn't see this as "Whining" and there is no martyrdom being looked for.

Just a few observations from being involved in kayaking over the past year.

About the Slim Ray book it's not quite as old as the kayak roll but some people don't know about that either.

You know the Kayaking as a whole WW/Rec/Sea industry is trying to find ways to get more and more women and kids involved cuz that is where the money is. In the lifestyle not the sport.
Take a look at the ski industry. With an image shift comes the money Crested butte for example still an extreme place to ski but opening them selves up to more beginner area.
That was the theme of this years meeting in Glenwood by those great guys the experts.


I do have to say all of the boaters I have met in person one on one are great people, very nice and very helpful in person, even after they realize who I am... here it is a different story and that is the image that the new boaters get when they come here for advice which is a shame seeing as the stores are sending them here. I tell several people a day to check out this site for gear and info.

off to get a stake and start piling wood around it.....
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I don't know I've gotten a lot of help here. Everybody has been very positive and helpful. I got two pages of info and links when I asked a question. That's except for that crap about my boat and how it was too much boat for me.
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Please tell me that this is not the new demographic for the buzz. i've been posting, reading, learning, flaming and vegging hear since I started boating.

let's keep the whining to a minimum. Where the F*ck is Gary E?
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