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Old 11-14-2012   #1
 
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Should the Kayaking Community be Less Tolerant of Kooks?

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That there is good writing. Chronic message
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Just awesome. This is an important issue for our community.
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Personally, I think there is no reason to tolerate kooks, frontrangers, rafters, or the use of the word "chronic" as an adjective.

Seriously though, the article makes a good point that seems lost on many people: learn to kayak really well before attempting hard whitewater.
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It is hard to say where the line is. For example, there is a local boater who carn's out on every run, especially the harder ones. Yet, she has gotten better though, and that is because she is always running stuff at her limit. Should, a boater like that stay on easier stuff because then they wont swim?

So then, in light of the article, how does one draw the line between pushing the comfort zone and dangerously exceeding it. Can running class 4 day in and day out prepare you for real class V, or do you have to actually run class V to learn how to run class V?
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So then, in light of the article, how does one draw the line between pushing the comfort zone and dangerously exceeding it. Can running class 4 day in and day out prepare you for real class V, or do you have to actually run class V to learn how to run class V?
Malcolm Gladwell postulates in "Outliers" a 10,000 hour rule exists, roughly estimating the number of hours needed for expertise in any activity. The term class V has little meaning since it is used to describe Yule and Bailey in the same sentence.
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There is an obvious line. If you are swimming more than a trout than obviously you shouldn't be at that stage.... One or two swims a season isn't bad it still isnt great. If you are are yard selling all over the place you don't need much more of a sign.

Its possible to make a class four into a five with imaginary must make moves and hard ferries and eddy catches.

Class is only relative to consequence not difficulty.... Being able to see and read the lines and put those lines down as you visualize them is what its all about. Junk show kayaking isn't anything more to be proud of than running shit in a barrel. Otherwise you would prove you have the ability to navigate not survive.

Sometimes you get junk showed. It's like failing a kick flip except in the kayak world most people still see it as a pass like the old school skateboarding comps where they spun 1260 and what not.. Stomping a line is what kayaking is all about
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Malcolm Gladwell postulates in "Outliers" a 10,000 hour rule exists, roughly estimating the number of hours needed for expertise in any activity. The term class V has little meaning since it is used to describe Yule and Bailey in the same sentence.
Is snowboarding the outlier in the 10,000 hour rule?
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I thought this was a fantastic article. It seems to me that paddlers are notorious for overestimating their ability. I can't tell you the number of times I've put on a run with someone at the put in who was listing off the runs they've done, only later to yard sale multiple times on a much easier run. I think it would be fine to push it if the consequences weren't what they are, and if the people responsible for helping or saving you weren't putting their asses at risk.
Kayaking doesn't quite have the same old school mindset as trad climbing for instance, where you really only learn from a mentor for the most part. A group of friends takes a rolling class, then they hop on lower clear creek and proceed to lose all their gear and Golden FD shows up.
I'm appreciative of the years my dad wouldn't let me step it up, and instead forced me to paddle the same 'easy' runs, but making me learn how to catch the micro eddys, how to roll on both sides, how to surf out of a hole. In the end it's helped keep my swim count way down over the years...especially the scary ones.
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The good boaters make no bones about telling someone the truth. I've been told and have told others what needed to be said. Good boaters aren't necessarily the best boaters, either.

I've seen the exact opposite happen in our sport where someone expresses doubt about running something and peer pressure kicks in, "Give it a shot, we'll set safety."
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