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Old 05-27-2006   #1
 
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Sad day on the Eagle.

approximatly two pm today a PRIVATE rafter was killed on the edwards mile of the Eagle river. He was sitting in the front of a raft that was guided by his friend when they flipped on an wave ( he thought). They were both next to the raft when the guide told him to let go, there were kayakers nearby assisting and the story is vague from there. He was pulled to shore about a half mile down stream at the top of the edwards lake. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

This is the second accident in 24 hours on the edwards mile, last night another raft flipped with two people in it. both of there lifejackets were "ripped off" ( that part is suspect) they were not dressed for the water, one guy went missing as was found walking along shore, cold but fine.

So, be safe out there, go with people with plenty of experinece, scout the mile even though its long, and for god sakes wear some warm clothes and proper gear!


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I wonder if there was a PFD on this one? makes a huge difference. My condolences to the family and friends.
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Old 05-28-2006   #4
 
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He was wearing a life jacket, and some warm gear, but not enough.
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The fellow that passed while rafting the Eagle was my friend Dog Gordon. I am very interested in figuring out what happened. Would it be possible for a person to die from hypothermia in the time Doug was in the water? Did he have a head injury or some other noticeable physical injuries? Why would a person die in such a situation? I apologize if these are stupid questions, but I am not an experienced rafter and just want to know what happened to my friend. Thanks
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It does seem that quite a few deaths occur from swims that weren't that bad. Yea, I'd like to know more.
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FIRST, MY CONDOLENCES TO ALL INVOLVED IN THE TRAGEDY. NEXT TO ANSWER SOME OF THE MANY MEDICAL QUESTIONS I HAVE HEARD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE GENERALIZED ANSWERS...WITHOUT VERY SPECIFIC DATA, YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK IN GENERALITIES.
OK, THIS WILL BOIL DOWN TO WHAT CAME FIRST. ALL "DROWNING" CASES END IN THE COMMON PATHWAY OF LOW LEVELS OF OXYGEN IN THE BLOOD CAUSING A DRAMATIC DECREASE IN BRAIN AND HEART FUNCTION(THOUGH NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER) = COMA AND NON-PUMPING HEART.

NOW, HOW THESE LOW LEVELS OF OXYGEN CAME TO BE IS THE QUESTION. HERE ARE SOME POSSIBILITIES.

1. PREVIOUS CARDIAC CONDITIONS(KNOWN OR NOT),
2. A HEAD, SPINAL CORD INJURY OR OTHER TRAUMA AT THE TIME OF IMMERSION,
3. A METABOLIC DERANGEMENT THAT ALTERS YOUR ABILITY TO REACT(EG. LOW BLOOD SUGAR...)
4. TOXINS
5. YOUR PHYSICAL STATE PRIOR TO STRESS(EG. HOW COLD, WEAK YOU WERE BEFORE THE IMMERSION)

- ANY ONE OF THESE CAN BE A FATAL CONTRIBUTOR WHEN COMBINED WITH THE COLD WATER/RAPIDS SCENARIO OF THE UPPER EAGLE.
-...WATER ALLOWS FOR THE MOST RAPID DECLINE IN BODY TEMPERATURE(30X THAT OF AIR)...HOW LONG UNTIL HYPOTHERMIA DEPENDS ON 1.PROTECTION, 2.#5 ABOVE AND A HOST OF OTHER FACTORS...THERE IS NO SINGLE FORMULA, IT IS VERY CASE/INDIVIDUAL DEPENDANT...JUST KNOW, COLD H2O CAN INCAPACITATE YOU VERY QUICKLY, ADD TO THIS ANY OF THE ABOVE FACTORS + CLASS III-IV WHITEWATER AND YOU HAVE A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.
I HOPE THIS HELPED AND I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THIS MOST UNFORTUNATE SITUATION, AGAIN, MY CONDOLENCES....JMO[/b][/i]
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This is actually an area of quite a bit of new research. The phenomenon is referred to as cold shock and is multifactorial. It is different than the mammalian diving relfex, which as an entity is currently in question, particularly in adults. The point of protecting yourself, particularly if you are getting over 40 or 45 is..... get a drysuit if you are boating in cold water and have any chance of swimming.
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Thank you very much for this information and for your kind words. I am going to share this with Doug's son and we may have some additional questions.

Now I hope someone who saw what happened or was involved in some way will answer this and let us know how Doug's last few moments played out.

Thanks again.
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Thanks for this information festivus. I have no idea what Doug was wearing, but it sounds like it wasn't enough. Hopefully when this is done, there will be a way to educate others so they don't end up in the same situation.

Thanks again.
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