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Old 10-10-2003   #1
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need help

i am looking for a creek boat and can't decide between the dagger CFS, Prijon embudo, also looking at the creeker by prijon....i weigh about 155 lbs and want to know if the embudo will be too big for me, etc.

any input appreciated

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Old 10-10-2003   #2
 
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Prijon Creeker

I have a Prijon Creeker and it is an awsome creek boat....in fact I have one for sale. I bought a new creek boat and I will sell mine for $220.00. It is in excellent condition and just a fantastic boat. If you are interest I am in Durango and you can give me a call at 970-375-2980 or 1-800-784-0540 (during business hours) or give me an e-mail at [email protected]. Good luck!

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Old 10-10-2003   #3
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Creeker or Embudo

I have paddled the Embudo and Creeker. I weigh about 160 to 165. I personally like the creeker better. But it depends on what you are going for. The Embudo is more of a big water boat and is also for biger people that like a higher volume. The creeker boats like it has more volume though. The volme difference is 12 galons. I would say if you are looking for a new "creek" boat go for the 225.
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Old 10-11-2003   #4
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cfs or 225

the only thing that i am worried about with the 225 is the lower volume. I really want a boat that can handle drops and bust through holes and can be very maneuverable. The cfs is higher volume, but looks like a similar design.
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Old 10-11-2003   #5
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225

I personaly think that the 225 actully boats like it has a higher volume. I have busted through some big holes in it and felt comfertable in doing so. Hope this will help the decision.
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Old 10-12-2003   #6
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prijons plastic rules, for a creek boat i wouldnt go with anything eles.
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Old 10-12-2003   #7
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I weigh 155 and paddle an Embudo, I think it's the best creek boat out there. It would be better for me if I weighed a little more and had more strength to muscle it around, but I don't find it a handicap. The main problem with the Embudo is relatively little rocker, so it is prone to pitoning. The main strengths of the Embudo is that it is incredibly stable and forgiving, good at punching holes, and has a nice edge for eddy turns and surfing out of holes. It's a little big for super low volume mank, but it can handle it. I've paddled the Creeker 225 about 7 or 8 times. It's a good little boat, but not as versatile as the Embudo. It suffers the same fate as all little boats, it's hole bait. The toughest run I paddled it on was the upper NSV and I did fine, I portaged the 3 worst V+ drops tho. I also paddled it on the canyon run of Boulder Creek at flood this spring and it punched several big holes, but I knew they were coming and charged them hard. I haven't paddled the CFS but more than half of my paddling buddies have one and swear by it. I would say I think the plastic is a little soft, they're always yelling at me not to tie them down too hard 'cause they will deform.

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Old 10-12-2003   #8
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PS. I bought the Creeker 225 when it first came out this spring. I had only paddled it a 1/2 dozen times when I had a "who's your daddy?" swim out of a hole that I had always managed to punch in my Embudo. It didn't helt that it was in front of a large audience Blaming it on the Creeker I put it away and broke out the Embudo to do a high water run on the Source, it was like meeting an old friend. It treated me so well I sold the Creeker the next weekend. Then the water came down and I found myself missing the Creeker, maybe I had judged it too quickly. Lately I've found myself having some second thoughts, so I borrowed the demo Creeker from Wildwasser and paddled it on Bailey this weekend. I had a blast, it's great at rock 360's, and managed Supermax just fine. I guess my verdict would have to be if I could afford both I would own both, I would paddle the Embudo on big water and runs that were at the edge of my ability. The Creeker would be for super low volume stuff, and stuff like Bailey that needs a little more excitement and play. As it is I can't afford both so I go with the Embudo. Sorry about the long rambling posts but this is a subject near and dear to my heart

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Old 10-12-2003   #9
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cfs

i have decided on a cfs...i sat in all of them today and decidedi liked the feel of the cfs personally more than the others. They all look like sweet boats though.

thanks for all of your help

matt
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Old 10-13-2003   #10
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Try the new Dagger nomad before you buy the cfs
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