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Old 08-15-2019   #1
 
Bozeman, Montana
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Just courious... how dangerous...

So i watch these kinds of videos so much that ive devolooed an un healthy ideas that it must just be not so hard. I mean look how easy . No swimmers , no stuck in holes. Shit i bet i can do it too! Of course i couldnt/wont/never will. So....
1- just how much better than us are these guys?
2- how dangerous are these runs for them?
3- do ordinary dudes make these runs too?
4- did our pioneers die in these things?
Yes iam a dumbass but when i was a kid dudes didnt back flip bicycles. Like to hear what a normal "good" kayaker says before i go boofing off to die cause "it looks easy on you tube"
https://youtu.be/3hcfmeeciog

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Old 08-15-2019   #2
 
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It looks easy only because they are soooooo good!
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Old 08-15-2019   #3
 
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Agreed that most of it is the individual paddler's skill set.

Based on many many decades of kayaking, another thing I have seen is just how good current designs of boats and paddles are along with things like dry suits that make cold weather a lot more comfortable. The new gear makes the more skilled paddlers even better.
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Old 08-15-2019   #4
 
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There is a tremendous amount of skill displayed in this video but it doesn't really convey the most difficult part - the boat/shore scouting and line identification that happens before all of the highlight clips. It looks easy, and honestly much the actually rapid running is easy (although a few parts in there are super hairball) because they called it correctly before the video even started. Without the experience to do that most people wouldn't even get close to making it down the river before having a really bad time.
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Old 08-15-2019   #5
 
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I think it really is that easy, and I bet I could do the same if I posted my POV footage on YouTube. See, it's all in the editing. Every time the camera goes underwater, either because I am window shading, carping, or swimming, I just cut film to the next place I am in my boat and right side up. Then the world thinks I am mr. Amazing kayaker. Just don't show the video taken from shore of what really happened.

Without proper editing, I'd look more like this video:
https://youtu.be/h4UKCLyx8N4
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Old 08-16-2019   #6
 
Bozeman, Montana
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Dude your ready to send it! Lets go! We can do all those gnarly creeks together no problem!! We just need some sponsers cause iam kinda broke. Do you have a sprinter van we can use?
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Old 08-17-2019   #7
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So i watch these kinds of videos so much that ive devolooed an un healthy ideas that it must just be not so hard. I mean look how easy . No swimmers , no stuck in holes. Shit i bet i can do it too! Of course i couldnt/wont/never will. So....
1- just how much better than us are these guys?
2- how dangerous are these runs for them?
3- do ordinary dudes make these runs too?
4- did our pioneers die in these things?
Yes iam a dumbass but when i was a kid dudes didnt back flip bicycles. Like to hear what a normal "good" kayaker says before i go boofing off to die cause "it looks easy on you tube"
https://youtu.be/3hcfmeeciog
1. Way better.

2. The more often skilled paddlers negotiate challenging and dangerous situations, the better they become at doing these things. If you kayak 40 hours per week you can get pretty good.

3. Yes.

4. The river is forgiving until it's not.

A 3 minute video doesn't show you the years or decades of kayaking progression that leads to achievements like a single day descent of Fantasy Falls. We also aren't seeing the hours of cross training many big timers put into their lives. Multiple familiarity runs also give you the ability to route into rapids that would otherwise be a scout. In the comments Aniol even says he was dealing with injuries and didn't run some of the stouts.
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Old 08-19-2019   #8
 
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watch this video for counterpoint in terms of the power the river holds.....
https://www.nrs.com/safety_tips/almost.asp
and these guys are better than just normal dudes.....
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Old 08-19-2019   #9
 
Portland, Oregon
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No run is worth so much as somebody's life.
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Old 08-21-2019   #10
 
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Damn i 'm getting old..Dane Jackson has a beard..the new elite boaters seem to be much more polished...old hair boaters were plenty good and I have seen plenty of gnarlier looking runs than that in old school vids but I think there was more carnage and close calls...when this used to be more of a kayaking forum there were a fair amount of excellent boaters who ran very serious runs....like someone noted time in the boat is huge ,even Joe average becomes much better,more comfortable,and confident,with a lot of challenging recent runs........
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