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Old 06-15-2004   #1
 
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H:3 VS. Diesel?

I'm a beginnner boater and have narrowed my boat choices down to the WS Diesel and the Pyranha H:3.
I want an 'all around' boat thats surfy and will still hold enough gear to take overnighters+. I'm 6'2", 220lbs w/ sz 14 feet (so footroom is a major issue that the two boats address well). I've sat in both boats as well.
FWIW I've ruled out the LL Hoss.

What to y'all think?

Thanks~ Gary
Grand Junction, CO

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Hey Gary,

I have a WS Diesel 75 and love it. It's fast, tracks well, and has plenty of room for us tall guys. Good luck!
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I am also looking at those two boats plus the LL Hoss. I'm curiuos as to why you ruled it out?
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I want to be able to take self supported trips and the Hoss does not seem to have the room for gear that I would like. Also, the upper weight limit on it is 230lbs. I weigh 220 and that would mean w/ 30/40lbs of gear would put the Hoss well over it optimal limit.
If I had no desire to do long trips I would be all over the Hoss.
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Hey Gary,

I have a WS Diesel 75 and love it. It's fast, tracks well, and has plenty of room for us tall guys. Good luck!
Chad, what do you weigh?
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As a beginner you would save a boat load of money by purchasing a used
H2 about the only real difference you will find is the back band.
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i've had my 75 diesel now for a few weeks and do love it. I'm 6 foot, 185, and have been boating for 4 seasons. 3+ trying to transition to 4, and the diesel is making it easier. Large enough to punch holes, yet suprisingly nimble in technical water. Good hull speed, and the secondary stability is bomber. You can brace out of just about any position. Surfs well, although it does take a somehwhat larger feature. Oh, and it's a roll-o-matic when needed. H:3 i've been in a couple of times, but I personally didn't like the geometry. Haven't had the boat in any real creeky situations, but I could see that you'd sacrifice some mobility as compared to say the prijon creeker. I think it would handle just as well or better than an H:3 though.
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As a beginner you would save a boat load of money by purchasing a used
H2 about the only real difference you will find is the back band.
I am a beginner, haven't even started ww, yet. (My wife and I have been flatwater - Wilderness tsunami 140 - for about one year, now.)

Now, we both want to also do some ww.
I had narrowed down my list to:

LL Lil Joe. Hoss
Pyranha Burn C30 S/M
WS Diesel 65/75
? Dagger Mamba 7.8/8.1

favoring LL or Diesel, esp. Diesel if I can find it used.


Ruled out the dagger GT too many reviewers didn't like it for featyres we were looking for.

Who makes H2? How is it similar to the Diesel?
Is the backband better in the H2 or will need to be replaced?
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I would upscale to the Burn. I think its a better boat the the h2/h3, but thats just my opinion. I think you will be pushing the effective weight limit of the Diesel.
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I would upscale to the Burn. I think its a better boat the the h2/h3, but thats just my opinion. I think you will be pushing the effective weight limit of the Diesel.
I never mentioned my weight? So how could I be pushing the limit?
I am 5' 9", and weigh 185 lbs, size 9-1/2 or 10 shoe (depending on cut).

I do not think that I'd be pushing the limit of the 75, maybe the 65?
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