Yep. this is Ron Hamblin. You must have been down Grand when Western flipped a "J" rig in Crystal. I think it was running about 93,000 in 83. I have the honor of being the guy that taught that guide who flipped how to boat. What a teacher, huh? Last time my cousin hiked in at Whitmore and boated out it cost him a $500 fine. I don't know what the status for that trip is now with the NPS. They sure ruined a fun run though. The shuttle was a class V back then. See you. Ron.