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Old 09-17-2009   #1
 
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Cheeseman difficulty

Hey guys and gals -

So I've read and heard conflicting things about Cheeseman Canyon.
I'm pretty sure I understand that it's a mank-fest at low water with lots of sieves and all kinds of things to go wrong IF you screw up.
What I'm trying to determine is -- how likely is a screw-up.
Who can talk about the actual difficulty of the boating?
Compare it to Black Rock (at med flows), Gore at 1,450 and Bailey at low water. How difficult are the moves compared to the difficulty of those other runs?
Also, if you were a crew with no guide, is it practical to get out and scout every time you can't see the whole rapid? Do you look at everything, or would that just take too damn long and make this a two-day affair?
Also, how is the speed at low water, and how easy is it to grab an eddy every time you want an eddy?

Thanks a bunch for any info --

-Mike

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Never run it. I'm not solid class V. Gary Edgeworth calls it one of the most serious runs around. I can't think of any other run in the state where I would want a good guide. Nuff said. . .



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Hey guys and gals -

So I've read and heard conflicting things about Cheeseman Canyon.
I'm pretty sure I understand that it's a mank-fest at low water with lots of sieves and all kinds of things to go wrong IF you screw up.
What I'm trying to determine is -- how likely is a screw-up.
Who can talk about the actual difficulty of the boating?
Compare it to Black Rock (at med flows), Gore at 1,450 and Bailey at low water. How difficult are the moves compared to the difficulty of those other runs?
Also, if you were a crew with no guide, is it practical to get out and scout every time you can't see the whole rapid? Do you look at everything, or would that just take too damn long and make this a two-day affair?
Also, how is the speed at low water, and how easy is it to grab an eddy every time you want an eddy?

Thanks a bunch for any info --

-Mike
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Old 09-17-2009   #3
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it's for real

Do not go in there if you are comparing it to those runs. It is V+. If you are ready for Cheeseman, aka Wildcat Canyon, you will know it. Not trying to be a dick, but it is a full on and scary run, and you should know precisely what you are getting into and have a guide.
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Old 09-17-2009   #4
 
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Like Alex said, Cheesman is for real, probably the hardest run on the front range. It is not a run that is easy with low water, there are many hard moves that are directly above sieves.

That being said if you are up to it (blackrock, gore and baily are not in the same league as cheesman) it is one of the best runs in the state.
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I thought about this a bit more, and probably shouldn't make recs to you about whether or not you should go. Just know that it is a helluva lot harder than Bailey at low water. The scare factor is the highest in the state except for pandora's box, because every rapid has objective hazards such as seives and undercuts. If you go in and aren't a seasoned, solid V to V+ paddler, you are going to have a very unfun portage fest. Also, the run is not good to go at the 166cfs that it is currently running. Minimum is about 280, and that is still really seivy and too low. Cheeseman is not a place to work your way into harder whitewater. Most people that run it are comfortable on Vallecito and running everything on the Big South at medium flows.
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While we are on the subject, please compare the difficulty of Yule Creek to the Upper C.
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TJ and ACC --

Thanks - that's what I figured. Now I just need to convince my friends.
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We went unguided. Easy to scout/portage everything. Not a long run.
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I gotta agree that you definitely don't need a guide. All of the rapids are stacked and pretty pool drop. That being said, the difficulty and scare factor are exactly like Al and Tom said. You will portage everything, including the easier drops like slap your momma, if you're comparing to bailey, black rock or gore. Definitely the scariest run on the Range except for maybe Normandy Canyon.
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Old 09-18-2009   #10
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I gotta agree that you definitely don't need a guide. All of the rapids are stacked and pretty pool drop. That being said, the difficulty and scare factor are exactly like Al and Tom said. You will portage everything, including the easier drops like slap your momma, if you're comparing to bailey, black rock or gore. Definitely the scariest run on the Range except for maybe Normandy Canyon.
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