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Old 11-23-2009   #1
 
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Anyone have an experience with this?

Swimming in a drytop and bib pants with attached socks, as opposed to a drysuit? Do you sink?

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I use a drytop with NRS Black rock drypants and it works pretty smooth. Little leakage and lots of buoyancy from the air trapped inside. I wear them with the drytop's inner tunnel layered under the top the of the pants and then the drytop's outer tunnel cinched tight over both. You might not be able to do that.

I tested out in lake before using in the river. You might want to do the same.
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I do the same as Eklars and I also wear Rocky goretex socks when it gets real cold. No issues.
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I'm not a huge fan of drypants....no matter what you have on top....I witnessed my wife's get full up to the knees with a similar dry top/dry pant combo during a swim that lasted about 45 seconds....scared the friggen shit out of me.

Read the "account of a long swim" thread.........it can happen and I wouldn't want dry pants/bibs on when it does.......
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Per Goodtimes comments, I should probably add that I haven't actually had a wet exit in combat using my drypants. I've swam some turbulent stuff on purpose to prove to myself that it was good to go but that's not really hard evidence.
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All I can think of is something along the lines of fishermen drowning in waders. Unless you're staying in Class II, I wouldn't consider it. Pants could get easily dislodged from a seal with one good beat down with a rock. The above example, as mentioned before, would be an example why I wouldn't recommend boating whitewater in such.
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I used drypants with a drytop for a few years and took a few swims. The drypants had latex ankle gaskets. I definitely did not stay dry when I swam, but never had any problems with the pants filling up with water. I would say I got more of a strong trickle of water into the pants, rather than water pouring in. My ass was always completely soaked at the end of the day even if I stayed in my boat. That is the reason I switched to a full drysuit.

I have heard tales of fishermen dying because they fell down in the water and their waders filled up with water, and they could not stand up again. However, I have never heard of this happening with drypants that have a tight fitting waist, maybe it has though.

I never took a really long swim, or got really beat down with drypants. I suppose it is possible for them to fill up with water under these circumstances. However, you are never going to "sink". The water in the drypants is no heavier than the rest of the water, and you will still have a PFD floating you. But you will get really heavy and have a hard time swimming, or lifting yourself out of the water.

I don't think you should be too worried about a drypant/drytop combo, there are many experienced class V boaters that use them all the time. although a full drysuit is always better.
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All I can think of is something along the lines of fishermen drowning in waders. Unless you're staying in Class II, I wouldn't consider it. Pants could get easily dislodged from a seal with one good beat down with a rock. The above example, as mentioned before, would be an example why I wouldn't recommend boating whitewater in such.
If we are talking bib drypants designed to seal with a compatible drytop I think you have almost nothing to worry about. I searched the AW Accident Database in the detailed descriptions and conclusions for the terms "dry pants" and "drypants" - no results turned up. I know many people who use this set-up. When sealed up properly it is nearly dry, only letting in a few drops of water.

Non-bib drypants are quite different as they don't form a seal with the dry-top.

Both drysuits and drysuit/drypant combos can be cut by rocks and let in water.
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Drypants could get pulled down (I never said anything about a hole) easier in a beatdown, and I did lapse in noticing he was talking about bibs. I was thinking pants, and bibs would be much better. Still, I wouldn't go there, not unless I was staying out of any significant whitewater. It's just not worth it to me. I don't want to get the shit scared out of me/want to quit boating/the shit beat out of me/feel like I almost drowned/cry while boating/drown/etc. The only rationalization that bibs/jacket are OK is that they are cheaper, and that the risk is not high. but really, the risk of drowning is not high (statistically), so why wear a pfd (sarcasm)? So each of us have to decide how far we go to reduce risk, and I wouldn't recommend pants, even bibs, to a friend if they were planning a purchase. Especially if they are boating bigger water where swims are more common/harder/brutal/painful/dangerous.
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Drypants could get pulled down (I never said anything about a hole) easier in a beatdown, and I did lapse in noticing he was talking about bibs. I was thinking pants, and bibs would be much better. Still, I wouldn't go there, not unless I was staying out of any significant whitewater. It's just not worth it to me. I don't want to get the shit scared out of me/want to quit boating/the shit beat out of me/feel like I almost drowned/cry while boating/drown/etc. The only rationalization that bibs/jacket are OK is that they are cheaper, and that the risk is not high. but really, the risk of drowning is not high (statistically), so why wear a pfd (sarcasm)? So each of us have to decide how far we go to reduce risk, and I wouldn't recommend pants, even bibs, to a friend if they were planning a purchase. Especially if they are boating bigger water where swims are more common/harder/brutal/painful/dangerous.
I was trying to be polite in my first response, perhaps I was too polite. You are fear mongering since you don't have a factual basis for your fears. I realize you were being sarcastic but there are sadly thousands of cases where people drowned without PFD's every year - it is a well documented fact. I didn't want to respond to this post with only my personal observations (that Dry bibs work just fine and i've seen bad swims with people wearing them) - so I did the search of AW's accident database. Not one result. If your fears were founded there would at least be reports of close calls and probably deaths. There aren't. Futher the product liability of making them if there were deaths linked to them would be huge in our sue happy society. Paddling comapnies don't have the cash to fight these kind of legal battles - they would pull the product.

Also there are more benefits to the top/pants combo than price differential - which isn't that big. You can wear the drytop separately. You can pair it with neoprene shorts or splash pants. If you wear the pants less frequently you will need to replace them less frequently, whereas you might wear out and replace the drytop before the pants show much wear. You could start out with cheaper bibs and upgrade to gore-tex, a relief zipper and goretex socks later.

On a side note I think this argument is a sad reflection of where our society is in large. People taking viewpoint's that the facts don't support , and even when presented with clear evidence, they don't even blink, just continue being sure they are right. Frankly it makes me sad. Laura your post makes it sound like fear is controlling your decision making process. Usually you are clear and cogent, here you need to reevaluate. Or finds some facts to share with the group that support your views so we can all learn.
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