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Old 07-18-2012   #1
 
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About to buy a Villan or Hero need advice

Sorry for posting another A vs B thread but I'm about to spend a lot of money on a boat and would like to make the most informed decision possible.

After a lot of research on these boats i'm even more unsure of which would best suit me. I will be paddling it in Idaho in places like the North Fork of the Payette as well as places like the Kern River and Brush Creek in Cali. I have an 07 hero right now and a newer Fun and love them yet I have given the Hero to my dad to get him into the sport. I have heard that the hero creeks amazing and the Villan river runs great. I will be using this boat for half creeking and half river running and would love any input in this decision.

PS. I was considering getting a Stomper yet I can get a better deal on Jackson boats so that's why the Stomper isn't in this post.

Thanks, Ehukai

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Clearly the boat u need is a Saturn. It performs well in the gnar and stank runs as you're describing. But, you might void the warranty running it outside of China.
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Old 07-18-2012   #3
 
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Good questions. I'm in a similar spot myself (between the Superhero, Villain, Stomper, Remix, Mamba, etc.).
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I like Jackson boats, but I'm not so hot on their names. One thing that really should come out of it though, is people should be able to spell the word "Villain" properly. Let's all work on that.

I've paddling both boats (but the older version of the Hero) and if I were buying, I'd get the Villain. I think it's a more versatile boat. The Hero is fun though (but it's not a Fun, which is a different, easy to spell, boat).
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Old 07-18-2012   #5
 
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I use my Villian S for California creeking all the time, including Brush Creek and the Kern. I love it! Although note that I'm not that great a boater so I haven't used it on any of the hard-core California classics. But I think it works just fine on the creeks I've been doing. Just my two cents...
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I use my Villian S
Damn you.
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for California creeking all the time
Also damn you.. this year anyway.
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The ease of spelling is a huge positive of the Hero for sure; yet i'm still not convinced.

BTW thanks for the spelling input it's just what I wanted out of this post lol
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I picked up a superhero this year and have been impressed with it so far. I've mainly run bigger water with it and like the roominess and comfort. Super stable and holds lines pretty good for the type of hull it is. Of course I came from a long line of older boats and this is my first newer boat since 2004 so my perception of things may be off.
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I took both for a demo and ended up with a villain. Faster and less edge, but still some edge. The drawback is that it doesn't surf that well, so as a result can be a bit harder to keep it on a strong ferry without spinning out or getting blown of the back. Also is a bit more sluggish with eddy turns than a hero is. It is a super confidence inspiring boat though that likes to stay on the top and resurfaces under control. I recently paddled a Shiva and now i want one. It feels faster than the villain and also makes sharper eddy turns, and stronger ferries.
It does have a lot less initial stability though.
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