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Old 09-20-2016   #31
 
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Ya, no! IDK, I'm not putting shit in a garbage can. Nothing you say will convince me to put shit in a dumpster. I wouldn't advise anyone to do so.
Obviously you are not a parent. If so you would either be putting sh!t in your garbage or sh!t in your laundry.

I too think a WAG bag in a Johnny or Riverbank sounds like overkill. I recently did a trip with WAG bags, we used a Reliance Fold-To-Go Portable Toilet. It was comfortable and easy to setup and break down. We stored the used bags in a bucket with a gamma.

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Old 09-20-2016   #32
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So, haven't posted in a while, but after reading the whole crappy thread, I am inclined to comment.

Riverbank is the shit. (so is the Johnny).
Wagbags have their place. Especially true for backcountry car, bike, hike camping. Are good for small groups and easy to dispose of legally.

As a parent, I have done the "toilet and laundry route" and the "dispose in trash route". Never had a problem doing the whole cloth diaper or diaper insert thing. Loved the "service" before they went out of business. I can't understand why anybody with kids would use a "major label" brand of diapers. Most contain "absorbent materials" that are made from chemicals. Pour an american beer into one. Then cut it open. I would not want that stuff rubbing my midrift all day. After that you will buy a "natural" brand.

Dirtbagkayaker, please reread your link. The diaper bank does not recycle diapers. They do not "separate" poo from materials. The page reads that they take the packaging from the retail diaper packaging, ie: the outer packaging, the bag like container the wipes came in. Most municipalities do not recycle plastic film. Market bags, saran packaging, etc. This "drop off bin" is for recycling that film. As I understand it, the recycle thing is great (and I'm into it), but single stream recycling is a misnomer. It ends up costing an arm and a leg and also use more carbon to ship that then sorted material back overseas to be re-manufactured after they dispose of a good % anyway. We live in a backwards society. (a whole other thread).

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I am surprised at the number of people responding to this thread who do not understand the basics of sewage treatment. Or wag bags either for that matter.
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Have the ecosafe system (year old). Purchased because of price (wholesale) and form factor. Really like the riverbank and yes Johnny is the shit but....

So for those of you talking about a bag up to the bowl on the ecosafe do you know how folks did that and how they stored it?


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I am surprised at the number of people responding to this thread who do not understand the basics of sewage treatment. Or wag bags either for that matter.

So for all of those who don't know, would you be willing to enlighten them? It might be a little more productive than just commenting on them.
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Old 09-21-2016   #36
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We use the Eco Safe (old model with Bemis Seat and Lid), not necessarily because it is superior to any other units, but for the price. I also don't really like the idea of having to lug around two rockets to get it there and then there is the dirty ramp issues that some have mentioned. With our unit, it was cheap and it gets us on the river, so with that we have just made doo with what we have and figured ways to make it work out, I reckon if I did it over again I might look into one of the other units.

We handle the dirty ramp issue by storing a spray bottle full of Simple Green or equivalent along with the seat and lid in that rocket box, as if you have seen one of these seats/lids (at least the old design), they fit in rocket box nicely with plenty of extra room in the box to spare for storing your collection of cleanup stuff, i.e. the spray bottle, wet wipes, extra toilet paper, soap and hand disinfectant and even a fold-up washbasin. That rocket box then serves as dry storage for all the goodies you need near the groover.

So with all that its fairly easy for folks to clean up after themselves and keep the unit itself presentable after each use, it also helps to let your crew know the procedure and to help out by cleaning up after themselves. So with all of that, I found that I don't mind hauling two rockets. Another thing about the two box issue that I have found makes it a little more justifiable is that it seems easier to load and haul two rockets in a sling for each, rather than finding a singular spot among all your other gear to fit one huge, super heavy box full of shit! I am not sure how I would meld something like that into the gear pile without sitting it on the floor and also keeping it upright, so it seems nice to just slide two rockets into a sling on either side of the captains bay.

We also ditched the little 2 foot hose they supply you with for emptying the unit and instead we use a 10 footer with RV fittings on one end and then dump the unit into our septic tank at home using the cleanout access. The RV fittings allow you have a closed loop, as we learned right away that it is difficult to keep the disposal hose lodged in the cleanout hole while emptying under pressure. The RV hose locks into a fitting on the cleanout so when you turn the hose on you have two hands free to handle the box and make sure that it is emptying properly.
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Livenswell,


Spot on with the extra space for cleaning / don't get the Hep tools. I keep industrial strength rubber gloves in my box too.


As for the RV hose, can you send me an example? I had a less than desirable experience blowing that stupid hose off the Ecosafe when I turned the water on at the RV dump station.
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Oh hail yes, the gloves.. yah I forgot to mention.. they be a critical part of the cleanup kit in box two, I keep a ziploc stuffed with about a hunnerd nitrile gloves, in addition to a pair of HD rubber gloves in case things do get shitty, but we find that folks who cant squarely hit the hole seem to be ok with cleaning up after themselves if there are gloves available, you just gotta be careful with folks disposing the spent ones back in the poo tank.

I have heard so many tragic horror stories about dumping the Eco Safe on here in various threads, but shoot man, we have never had any issues whatsoever with our Eco Safe, not even the nasty poop ramp stories etc. of course we dont trip very often with kids along and we have no slobs in our crew that cant clean up after themselves. We have even gotten to where we take the Eco Safe with us on regular camping trips. After one or two times filling that baby up on the river, it sure gives you a sense of how much shit you and your crew generate in a short period of time, so we thought why not stop shitting in the woods too!? Seems like everything else I do requires Leave no trace ethics so why not.

I'll have to figure this out some to post a pic or a link etc., and I'll send that when I get it figgered out, as I am a long time viewer, but newly joined and only first or second time poster, to the Buzz.. anyhow, you can find the hoses in the RV section at Walmart. You will need to keep the screw on fitting and hose clamp that is on the original hose that came with the Eco Safe dumping hose, as you will remove one end of the new RV hose and replace it with the fitting and hose clamp that goes to the Eco Safe, then the other end of the RV hose screws right into your cleanout and locks the hose onto the cleanout, I'll send a photo later that will illustrate it better than I can splain it..
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gracias mang...

look forward to seeing the pics. Poo on your face is bad for your health!
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Old 09-21-2016   #40
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As for the RV hose, can you send me an example? I had a less than desirable experience blowing that stupid hose off the Ecosafe when I turned the water on at the RV dump station.

The hose I have a problem with is the garden hose fitting to attach the clean water flush out. It seems like it is tight and then it pops off when I turn on the pressure and sprays water around. At least it is clean water but people get nervous at the adjacent RV clean out when liquid begins spraying wildly. I think the problem came from tightening a metal fitting too tightly into the plastic fitting. Wondering if anyone has found hardware store fittings or another solution.
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