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Old 05-05-2013   #501
 
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We're going to ask him to print one and bring it with him. We launch Sept 18th. We have a friend from Park City also launching on 10/1. We would have been on that one, but got 9/18 invite first.

Both of our trips have been in the Spring around that level. It's a fantastic trip. The hikes are as much fun as the river. We were fortunately enough to have very experience folks w/ many GC trips under their belt on our trips. They told or showed us the lines and made it look easy, so we really didn't have any problems. I will say that Bedrock has a certain amount of pucker factor for me. Our '06 trip was the first time I'd oared a raft. If you're in a kayak, it's a piece of cake.

Part of the reason our boat looks like such a chit show is that we wound up carrying an extra cooler due to the amount of food that the group bought. Even with 6 other boats. That was the first trip for us with that rig. We had the small dryboxes from our 16' Sotar cat/frame, so we had quite a bit of stuff strapped else where on the boat. I've got 5 months to better organize this boat. This thread has been pretty informative.

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Old 05-05-2013   #502
 
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Denial ...

If i max my leopard i have three dryboxes, 120qt, 65qt, passenger and seat, four 1550 pelican cases, and two Jerry cans. Plus misc stuff riding above. The frame, dryboxes, cases, and coolers are relatively lightweight when empty

If I pack it all full it better not be a challenging river or otherwise I can't row it
On our Leopard, with a full GC rigging, I had to switch to the 10' oars. I couldn't get the damn thing to do what I wanted with the 11' oars. Thinking of cutting them down to 10'6'', but will wait till I come up with a new frame. The 18' x 28'' Sotar tubes look sweet!
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Old 05-06-2013   #503
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I like the colors. And 28" x 18'. Getting jealous.

My bad, With the frame Colors i thought it was canyon. Looking closer there is a lot of rectangular tubing involved. Didn't know Sotar was building frames. Are they having someone local do it?

Do you have a weight for that bad boy? Interested in seeing how it compares to my NRS Tank frame

It is definitely not the quality of a Canyon Whitewater Inflatables frame, my buddy has one almost exactly like that he got from Sotar on his 18' Grand boat. The frame has stickers on it called Jack Russell and abc powder coating a local building them for Sotar.

He currently is having Canyon build him a new Grand Canyon frame and selling the Sotar frame. It will be in Lowell for sale in a couple weeks on his trailer at 3 rivers if anyone is looking he wants 1250.

Below are the reasons he is having a new frame built, stuff you would never think of by looking at it unless you have owned one.
His complaints about the Sotar frame were :

1.Sharp cornered box tubing up front in the passenger compartment and the passengers hit there knees on it, (its not finished off very well just stubbed off)

2. The dry box lids flex as they are the shoebox style and the latches they use have a weird metal piece that sticks out and cuts the back of your legs.

3. They drill holes in the frame to mount the dry boxes and the frame fills with water. He can always hear it sloshing but can get it out.

4.we call it, ( the rock catcher) in the back it hangs on everything when the back of the boat dumps in a hole and there is a rock just at the surface.

5. The top frame rails don't extend all the way to the back of the frame so it creates a huge pressure point on the top of the tubes right behind where the rower sits where the top frame rails end. Especially when it is loaded with gear so it kind of tacos the tube a bit in that location.

6. The oar towers aren't adjustable, reinforced on that big of a boat or replaceable which is not good on a grand boat, he already bent a tower , it wasn't on the river it was unstacking it and it landed on the tower dropped from about 4 feet up, (His fault but still it should not have bent and now it is stuck about 5 degrees inboard).

7. His frame already has a bow in it, it just isn't supported very well for a frame that size.

We have come to the conclusion they should stick to building tubes,it makes you wonder, do they actually use the frames they sell or just sell it to get the money
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Old 05-06-2013   #504
 
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On our Leopard, with a full GC rigging, I had to switch to the 10' oars. I couldn't get the damn thing to do what I wanted with the 11' oars. Thinking of cutting them down to 10'6'', but will wait till I come up with a new frame. The 18' x 28'' Sotar tubes look sweet!
What is the cause of the problem with the longer oars?
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It is definitely not the quality of a Canyon Whitewater Inflatables frame, my buddy has one almost exactly like that he got from Sotar on his 18' Grand boat. The frame has stickers on it called Jack Russell and abc powder coating a local building them for Sotar.

He currently is having Canyon build him a new Grand Canyon frame and selling the Sotar frame. It will be in Lowell for sale in a couple weeks on his trailer at 3 rivers if anyone is looking he wants 1250.

Below are the reasons he is having a new frame built, stuff you would never think of by looking at it unless you have owned one.
His complaints about the Sotar frame were :

1.Sharp cornered box tubing up front in the passenger compartment and the passengers hit there knees on it, (its not finished off very well just stubbed off)

2. The dry box lids flex as they are the shoebox style and the latches they use have a weird metal piece that sticks out and cuts the back of your legs.

3. They drill holes in the frame to mount the dry boxes and the frame fills with water. He can always hear it sloshing but can get it out.

4.we call it, ( the rock catcher) in the back it hangs on everything when the back of the boat dumps in a hole and there is a rock just at the surface.

5. The top frame rails don't extend all the way to the back of the frame so it creates a huge pressure point on the top of the tubes right behind where the rower sits where the top frame rails end. Especially when it is loaded with gear so it kind of tacos the tube a bit in that location.

6. The oar towers aren't adjustable, reinforced on that big of a boat or replaceable which is not good on a grand boat, he already bent a tower , it wasn't on the river it was unstacking it and it landed on the tower dropped from about 4 feet up, (His fault but still it should not have bent and now it is stuck about 5 degrees inboard).

7. His frame already has a bow in it, it just isn't supported very well for a frame that size.

We have come to the conclusion they should stick to building tubes,it makes you wonder, do they actually use the frames they sell or just sell it to get the money
Now I'm confused. You are describing this like you are either you are either Marty (from Breckenridge?) or you work for Canyon and you took the phone call for the new frame order.



Ok I get it. Your buddy has the same Sotar frame
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What is the cause of the problem with the longer oars?
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....or not enough ass. One of the two....or both.
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Now I'm confused. You are describing this like you are either you are either Marty (from Breckenridge?) or you work for Canyon and you took the phone call for the new frame order.



Ok I get it. Your buddy has the same Sotar frame
Yes, buddy has the sotar frame, I bought my raft frame from canyon and then he decided to get a new grand boat cat frame from them. I run an excavator for work, probably not as fun as making boats
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Below are the reasons he is having a new frame built, stuff you would never think of by looking at it unless you have owned one.

some of this is true, I owe 1
1. The front corner dude is talking about is not true, mine is filled and rounded out very nice.

2. Dry box lid flex: I have 2 boxes 1 with seat that comes off, and moves 6" front or back and 1 with E foam. Almost 60 trips and they are still like new, no flex, but I'm not a fatty nor do fattys ride. lol, I could see it flexing if your standing in the middle and over 200.

2 1/2. The latches are so so small sticking out it'd be hard to cut the back of your legs.

3. Y,s they drill holes. no big deal, I've never had water inside sloshing around.
and if so then flip the dam thing upside down or drill a pin hole somewhere.

4. shit happens

5. top frame rails: yes this it true if your overloading your rig.

6. adjustable oar towers: he's right, but if you get a seat on the drybox then you can adjust that. It also has an adjustable foot bar. I'm 5'10" wife is 6' and i can make it work fine for most people, unless they are 6'6" 300# + lol they need a raft

7. A bow in frame ? like the sides are higher? they have 2 cross braces running across the top and square not round tubes. The dry boxes fit killer that way, cleaner look than round tubes I think.

I find it funny that canyon boats copied Sotar's predator cat frame design, which has been in use for years, and then bash their design to gain customers. I also didn't notice anything for Sheryl's fundraiser from Canyon inflatables. Such a bummer since they are in the same business and from a small area. I could be wrong and I am possibly highly confused. lol the rogue was killer this past weekend. sun sun and more sun. then a nice rain on the way home to wash off the bullshit....
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I also have a DRE frame, with flip seat. the kid and wife love that thing
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