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Old 03-24-2009   #31
Carbondale, Colorado
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Some traction for farts...

Originally Posted by caverdan View Post
The short answer is in the construction technique and material. Aire boats are not built to hold air........they have bladders. Maravia's are built to hold air and have a slicker finish. If you fart real hard, you could loose traction and slide right off a Maravia........Aire's tend to absorb them.
I have a 2001 Willy II and true the material can be slippery-when-wet like Bon Jovi's best album but there is also a finish on the rubber that is a little coarse, like a sandpaper type finish to it for increased gripping and fart traction as Caverdan puts it (LMAO). Anywho, pretty sure the newer Maravia's have this finish on there still but not sure as all their pictures of their boats are super shiny and pretty slick surface looking...but that is part of the presentation...

Either way, I couldn't be happier with my 2001 Willy II, the boat was used commercially for 6 years, no patches, and it still holds air for months at a time. The Aire bladder system to me sounds undesireable...seems like those zippers would take some extra maintenance but what do I know...

Just added a Mini-Me to the family for those solo days and for R2ing Raftus mentioned and others will there really is no one-boat-quiver per say...Rafting and river-running is single handedly the most fun and most gear intensive ($$$) activity I have discovered...

good luck!

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Old 03-24-2009   #32
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I was originally going after a Puma, but ended up in the Super Puma and am very happy.

My and my GF paddle it pretty well, and we are both hardshell kayakers, (I don't know if that helps or hurts.) But here in the Pac. NW you need something a bit narrow for the smaller rivers.

I think it handles more like a kayak and less like a traditional round raft, so good for some not so for others. I have carried it alone deflated and all it did was remind me of my days in the mid 90s in the 82nd Airborne Div. They weren't good memories, but I survived. So I would not suggest it further than you have to. Definately not a "backpacking boat".

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Old 03-24-2009   #33
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I love my super puma. It was one of the best purchases I ever made. Great for smaller technical rivers and yet large enough for a multiday trip. Light enough, (dry) that you can carry it for a distance. Handles well as an oar rig with 2 to 3 passengers and is a sweet paddle boat for r2 to r7. You can't beat the warranty. Don't wworry about the width, it' relatively stable, unless you enter the wave totally sideways.

That said, I'm looking for a larger (14 or 15ft) Sotar or Maravia (or Aire) that can serve as the "family" rig.
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Old 03-25-2009   #34
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maybe that is why the Super works well for kayaker types, I mean if you enter a hole crossed up in a kayak, you expect carnage, unlike I think some of the more traditional rounder shaped rafts where they tend to enter holes at like a 30 degree angle.

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